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SI puts out regional covers....this is like one of the old puzzles...which one is different?

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We certainly wouldn't want to mention Winston's name. After all we went to press before the verdict was in,,,,which as you have aptly pointed out was in a year ago....

I guess no one recognized his full page picture?

The quintessential SI hedging their bets...

billybud wrote:SI puts out regional covers....this is like one of the old puzzles...which one is different?

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I think that is the silliest thing that SI could do. If SI's goal was not to give Winston recognition it is going to backfire in a big way. If their goal is to create buzz - which is more likely - then it was a genius marketing stunt and it is working.

I got it now....SI spokesman to release a statement that it was actually an honor to Winston...who does not need his name emblazoned in inch high letters to be recognized as FSU's QB.

They need the letters to know Cardale Jones' name. I know Buckeye fans who didn't know who he was.

billybud wrote:I got it now....SI spokesman to release a statement that it was actually an honor to Winston...who does not need his name emblazoned in inch high letters to be recognized as FSU's QB.

No..no..no....This is a statement of FSU being a family, a team, where no one is above the other, where love and harmony pervade every action. This is a statement of the sum of the whole is greater than the parts.....this just tears me up..

I suspect the average age of the writers for SI is 20 years old.

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He has called the girl a liar for two years and has refused to answer any questions. Then he finally says the girl did not give him permission with words but by her moaning. He is one sick individual. With his behavior over the past two years (theft, destruction of property, hit and run, poor judgement, etc.), I am inclined to believe the girl. I am shocked he is still a member of this team. There is no conspiracy against Winston. He has brought it all on himself. People can change but it will take a lot for people outside of FSU country to believe it.

Folks will believe what they want and need to believe...

Dossenator wrote:http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/12/24/sports/ncaafootball/transcript-of-jameis-winston-hearing-reveals-accusers-words-and-florida-states-complicity.html?referrer=

He has called the girl a liar for two years and has refused to answer any questions. Then he finally says the girl did not give him permission with words but by her moaning. He is one sick individual. With his behavior over the past two years (theft, destruction of property, hit and run, poor judgement, etc.), I am inclined to believe the girl. I am shocked he is still a member of this team. There is no conspiracy against Winston. He has brought it all on himself. People can change but it will take a lot for people outside of FSU country to believe it.

The girl is a liar. that is proven.

....The girl says "I was hit in the head and knocked out"...(well no, med exam says no trauma)

...She then says "I was drugged"...(well no, toxicology says otherwise)

...Well then I was so drunk that I was paralyzed...(well, no...blood test says otherwise)

...I was forced into cab...(well no. Witnesses, including friend and cab driver say otherwise)

...Oh, that other DNA on my shorts? I don't know where that came from. My friend Monica borrowed these shorts and maybe did not wash them (wrong...she lied about having sex with Jamaal earlier...and worse, her attorney tried to get Monica to back up this tale. Monica would not perjure herself).

...Oh, did I immediately, before the police get there, erase texts and social media posts? OK. so what? Oh...that little business where I invited my friend to join us? Oh....my social media posts where I use #cleatchaser?

...Of course I was forced, I don't guy out "with black boys". Although said publicly by the accuser's attorney on her behalf, this was quickly went from a racist comment to a "did she say that?". Of course she had been having sex with at least one black guy since high school, Jamaal (who testified to that).

There have been three investigations and all have looked at this dreary story...Former Supreme Court Justice Harding summed up all three when he said "in sum, the preponderance of the evidence has not shown that you (Winston) are responsible for any of the charge violations of the Code."

As columnist Whitley has stated...

"It's as if nobody remembered what happened to the Duke lacrosse team.
Rolling Stone editors sure didn't when they green-lighted the expose on Virginia's Phi Kappa Psi fraternity.

As with those stories, Winston fit a media narrative about privilege and victimology. Even when
the stories were shot full of holes, activists defended them on grounds they exposed a larger truth."

Haters gonna hate...and folks won't change how they feel...

But the media is no longer in the business of truth..it is in the business of creating interest, hits, sales. The NY Times and ESPN are now as much an entertainment gossip rag as he Enquirer or any tabloid on the supermarket checkout. And Americans love it.

And the salient point...

The accuser's attorney said give us $7 million dollars and this will go away.

According to TMZ, the alleged victim’s lawyer, Patricia Carroll, demanded $7 million to settle her client’s claims against Winston and FSU and vowed that “you will never hear from my client or me again — in the press or anywhere” if the money was paid out. Winston’s attorney David Cornwell says he rejected the proposal and Carroll went to the media four days later.

Using the press unconscionably...the accuser's attorneys now try to fit the new narrative..."the fix was in"...

The accuser can not win with facts...and was trying to set up a civil case...so the attorneys attempt to try the case in the public media....and are called out as "outrageous".

FSU brought in maybe the most respected jurist in Florida as a neutral party to review evidence.

The President of the Florida Bar thinks that the accuser's attorneys are outrageous...but the haters will hate and believe the narrative...

Press Release on Florida Bar letterhead:

"Comments in a recent AP news article attributed to Baine Kerr, a Colorado attorney who represents the young woman accusing Florida State University quarterback Jameis Winston, are too outrageous for me to ignore.

"Major Harding, a former chief justice of the Florida Supreme Court who presided over the FSU code of conduct hearing, is one of the most highly respected lawyers in Florida and in the United States. To say that he is anything but thoroughly unbiased and of the highest integrity is unacceptable.

"I have known Harding for nearly 20 years. His reputation and integrity are beyond question and thousands of lawyers would agree. FSU President John Thrasher's recognition of Harding for conducting a thorough hearing was on target. Kerr's comments were completely off-base and irresponsible.

"It is unfortunate that Kerr chose to attack someone like former Supreme Court Justice Harding. I would caution Kerr to follow his oath as an attorney to be professional and to maintain the respect due to all who are unquestionably dedicated to fairness and impartiality."

An ugly truth is that nobody representing the accuser gets paid....

Without a settlement or winning a suit...so that they can collect the contingency fee.

Patricia Carroll, the original attorney saw $$$...thus the "give us $7 million and we go away"

The new set of attorneys, since Carroll's ineptitude blasted herself out of the case, know that they can not win a civil suit. The witnesses and evidence just won't support it. They may hope to make FSU settle on a Title IX suit.

And, as a state agency, the maximum limit on an award for governmental wrongdoing is $200,000 per person, $300,000 per tort. If they can get a win.

Because of these caps on damages the government knows that the most that they will ever have to pay out, even of the most catastrophic of claims, is the capped amount. As a result, the government rarely has any interest in settling pre-suit and they force a claimant to actually file a law suit to get a return phone call.

My belief is that it is about money...the constant playing to the media is to set up a possible emotional remembrance in a future civil case jury...one that will over power the need for evidence.

Non lawyers never understand why a client is coached to not testify.

In this case, it is all a set up for the civil case. The accuser answered some questions, but not under oath or the penalty of perjury which will come in a civil trial. Also there could be no cross examination.

"We finished the hearing today," said David Cornwell, Winston's attorney. "We're pleased that it's over. We know now what the game plan was because the only thing that we got were more inconsistencies and more lies. This process was about making a record to do as I have always said, taking this matter to civil court.

You don't expose your defense in a future civil suit if there is no need. The questioning there will be under oath.

And, Harding's finding can't help the civil suit. I wonder if the attorneys are willing to gamble the hours for a probable loss. And have to defend a countersuit, which definitely will come.

And not to mention, that her attorney was either a huge gator fan or an alumnus, don't remember which.

Call me cynical, but with all the shaky 'he said, she said' evidence it seems that kinda fishy. There was a newpaper in Orlando that suggested this.

That being said. I don't like the fact that he committed a crime and not much happened to him. Stealing is stealing, regardless of the circumstances.

And I don't like that they fined him $30 and suspended him from the baseball team, and what the heck is a Pre-Diversion citation??? is that like faculty asking UGA basketball players to write the word Basketball and then give them an B- ??

The whole thing stinks IMO.