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First hAlf? ok....stll in game...could have been in lead except for leaving ball on 6 inch line......SECOND HALF...FIVE TO's.....5...cinco

Perfect storm. Sometimes it happens.

billybud wrote:That's all I have to say.

First hAlf? ok....stll in game...could have been in lead except for leaving ball on 6 inch line......SECOND HALF...FIVE TO's.....5...cinco

Not sure what happened the second half. Told Mrs. " Oregon's lead is not enough, FSU just finds a way to make it happen." She said, "Good." (She has real disdain for the University of Oregon).

What I will say, the "Committee" got it right. Those were the four teams that should have been there. All that State of Texas grumbling aside, performance in a bowl game is not what determines who should play in the bowls. After the fact is just water cooler cat-wallowing.

Tough game for FSU. They deserved to be there, but in the end didn't play like it.

I'll always have respect for FSU because of Bowdon and Richt, but with the way Winston was acting on the sidelines, I'm glad he's going to be sitting at home.

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The committee got it right. You could have put Baylor in instead of Ohio State and it would have been fair. TCU didn't win their conference, that would have been a sticking point with me. No one can say Florida State didn't deserve to be there. They were undefeated defending national champs. If they don't deserve to be there then no one does. They drew a matchup that didn't suit them. Florida State is built to stop a pro style between the tackles running game. If they drew Alabama it would have been a good game. People are quick to judge, but sometimes what you see on the surface doesn't tell the whole story.

I am sure that was hard to watch Billybud as an FSU fan. I did have the sense when Oregin scored their first TD of second half that the game was over. Looked like FSU was not going to stop that offense again. Not enough credit is being given to Oregons defense: first half they made FSU settle for FG's, and second half they forced several of those turnovers. The FSU online was getting beat on almost every snap of the second half. Not sure why anyone is surprised by this outcome. Winston was a turnover machine all year, and FSU struggled in almost every game. That was bound to catch up with them when they faced a team as good as Oregon. I am with Derek..when I saw the way Winston was acting on the sideline and talking to his coaches I began rooting for Oregon.

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Spence wrote:The committee got it right. You could have put Baylor in instead of Ohio State and it would have been fair. TCU didn't win their conference, that would have been a sticking point with me. No one can say Florida State didn't deserve to be there. They were undefeated defending national champs. If they don't deserve to be there then no one does. They drew a matchup that didn't suit them. Florida State is built to stop a pro style between the tackles running game. If they drew Alabama it would have been a good game. People are quick to judge, but sometimes what you see on the surface doesn't tell the whole story.

Watching an entire game from kickoff to the final whistle usually helps put these things in perspective. Just because FSU lost by 39, doesn't mean they are 39 points worse than Oregon. They were 39 points worse than Oregon on the field that particular day due to a multitude of reasons, some of which may not occur if they met in round two. Whenever a team takes the field, there is a range of potential outcomes, some more likely than others. It's why college football seems so inconsistent on a week-to-week basis and why it's almost impossible to invent a narrative and have it stick at the end of the day. If Alabama comes up with seven more points or Auburn beats Wisky in OT, the media will be harping on the poor old Big 10 and, while they couldn't trump up the SEC West quite as much they did coming into the bowl season, it wouldn't be doom-and-gloom just because Ole Miss and Mississippi State got trounced. OSU/Bama and Auburn/Wisky were even opponents, so every little thing went into the outcome turning out as it did; the B1G could easily have gone 0-2 in these big games (0-3 if MSU didn't mount an amazing comeback), and the narrative would be completely different. It is all about wins and losses at the end of the day, but if you're going to make judgments about competitiveness, you have to look at how close the games are on the field.

For instance, I thought FSU was dominating Oregon's run defense. This is an area that Ohio State could have a lot of success. I honestly don't think anybody does the power run better than Urban Meyer's Ohio State over the last two or three years. Carlos Hyde and now Ezekiel Elliot, with the vertical passing game. Auburn was about the only team that completely gashed Alabama, so maybe they have issues defending the spread run, I don't know. But if FSU can hang on to a football or Jameis finds an extra inch of extension, it's a completely different game. Maybe they get better at balhandling this offseason and could beat Oregon next September (if they had Jameis). Who knows. Nobody knows for sure. I think it's completely wrong-headed to say after the fact that TCU should have been in instead of Florida State. I don't know on what planet you can leave out an undefeated BCS conference champion in a field of four teams. That's just gleeful Florida State hating. Sometimes you have to give the devil his due because FSU deserved a right to be there. Maybe it wasn't pretty all year, but you can't take that away from them without giving them a chance to prove you wrong.

I've never really been much of a Jameis fan. I always get the sense from Jimbo Fisher that he is kind of selling his soul for the sake of the program. Like he doesn't even like Jameis' attitude that much, but he has to work with it to make FSU into a winning team.

Eric wrote:I've never really been much of a Jameis fan. I always get the sense from Jimbo Fisher that he is kind of selling his soul for the sake of the program. Like he doesn't even like Jameis' attitude that much, but he has to work with it to make FSU into a winning team.

And in the end may be his undoing. I don't feel sorry for him. He made his bed. Not sure how you can have any authority or discipline moving forward.

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Spence wrote:The committee got it right. You could have put Baylor in instead of Ohio State and it would have been fair. TCU didn't win their conference, that would have been a sticking point with me. No one can say Florida State didn't deserve to be there. They were undefeated defending national champs. If they don't deserve to be there then no one does. They drew a matchup that didn't suit them. Florida State is built to stop a pro style between the tackles running game. If they drew Alabama it would have been a good game. People are quick to judge, but sometimes what you see on the surface doesn't tell the whole story.

Watching an entire game from kickoff to the final whistle usually helps put these things in perspective. Just because FSU lost by 39, doesn't mean they are 39 points worse than Oregon. They were 39 points worse than Oregon on the field that particular day due to a multitude of reasons, some of which may not occur if they met in round two. Whenever a team takes the field, there is a range of potential outcomes, some more likely than others. It's why college football seems so inconsistent on a week-to-week basis and why it's almost impossible to invent a narrative and have it stick at the end of the day. If Alabama comes up with seven more points or Auburn beats Wisky in OT, the media will be harping on the poor old Big 10 and, while they couldn't trump up the SEC West quite as much they did coming into the bowl season, it wouldn't be doom-and-gloom just because Ole Miss and Mississippi State got trounced. OSU/Bama and Auburn/Wisky were even opponents, so every little thing went into the outcome turning out as it did; the B1G could easily have gone 0-2 in these big games (0-3 if MSU didn't mount an amazing comeback), and the narrative would be completely different. It is all about wins and losses at the end of the day, but if you're going to make judgments about competitiveness, you have to look at how close the games are on the field.

For instance, I thought FSU was dominating Oregon's run defense. This is an area that Ohio State could have a lot of success. I honestly don't think anybody does the power run better than Urban Meyer's Ohio State over the last two or three years. Carlos Hyde and now Ezekiel Elliot, with the vertical passing game. Auburn was about the only team that completely gashed Alabama, so maybe they have issues defending the spread run, I don't know. But if FSU can hang on to a football or Jameis finds an extra inch of extension, it's a completely different game. Maybe they get better at balhandling this offseason and could beat Oregon next September (if they had Jameis). Who knows. Nobody knows for sure. I think it's completely wrong-headed to say after the fact that TCU should have been in instead of Florida State. I don't know on what planet you can leave out an undefeated BCS conference champion in a field of four teams. That's just gleeful Florida State hating. Sometimes you have to give the devil his due because FSU deserved a right to be there. Maybe it wasn't pretty all year, but you can't take that away from them without giving them a chance to prove you wrong.

I agree completely. Especially the narrative if Wisky and Ohio State had lost - and both teams could have lost as easily as they won. I think Ohio State can run with Oregon State, both teams are built with the same philosophy. Oregon runs it fast requiring its QB to control the game. Ohio State lines up quickly but doesn't run many more plays than anyone else. Ohio State also relies more on the run game. Being from the upper Midwest you have to have a good running game to compete with the Wisconsin's and Michigan State's of the world in November, but then you have to have speed and a vertical passing game for the bowl game or playoffs. Ohio State is more a hybrid of that game and Oregon is all about how many plays they can run. They like to wear defenses out by not allowing them off the field.