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Update:

A FOIA Request has been issued to WVU concerning the Vic Koenning Third Party Investigation findings. WVU has has issued a statement they will respond to the request around September 15th.

Interesting that WVU didn’t say they would make the report available, but they would respond to the request. We’ll see......

I think racism is revolting in any form. But people are allowed to disagree, even on issues of race, without being racist. Just because someone doesn't agree with your specific cause or organization doesn't make them racist. I also agree with peaceful protest. It is protected under our constitution. Breaking and entering, theft, defacing and destruction of property isn't peaceful or protesting. It is criminals taking advantage of a situation and they make the protesters - the real ones- look bad. Those people don't believe in any cause other than selfishness. I don't believe in lots of what sprung up from the George Floyd killing. I don't think most police officers are bad. I do believe that police officier not only was negligent, I think he is guilty of murder. I think people had every right to protest, but most of what we saw happening around the country was not protest. We know it, the politicians know it, the criminals surely know it. I can't imagine a situation where players would play in a program where coaches even hinted racism. I don't think a head coach would put up with it today.

And therein lies the problem we’re currently faced with in today’s world.... the redefinition of words such as racism and protest. Where disagreement equals racism and criminal actions equals protest.

Thank God a Presidential Election Year only comes around once every four years. It’s a shame these political types aren’t measured the same way athletics are, by performance and outcome.

It is also too bad we can't kick all them out and start again. It couldn't be worse than what we have now.

I agree with you guys, but I will also go further and say BLM isn't a "protest". They are a Marxist front group, and have admitted as much.

How does destroying the modern family help black people? That's what they put on their website. They are VERY dangerous people to be misunderstood in this way. The public needs to be told and understand that BLM is not about black lives.

My 2 cents.

Derek wrote:I agree with you guys, but I will also go further and say BLM isn't a "protest". They are a Marxist front group, and have admitted as much.

How does destroying the modern family help black people? That's what they put on their website. They are VERY dangerous people to be misunderstood in this way. The public needs to be told and understand that BLM is not about black lives.

My 2 cents.

Amazing, isn't it ..?

They want to eradicate the U.S. Flag, and the U.S.Constitution, claiming they are symbols systemic racism, because of slavery.

And yet, their answer to replace the Constitution & Bill of Rights is to implement Marxist Communist Socialism.

However, the U.S. Constitution is what was used to abolish slavery, and affords the people to amend things in the Constitution & Bill of Rights if we need to alter something that needs to be changed, because, you know ... Freedom.

Whereas, Marxism has create societies that have been the direct cause of over 140 million people. And Karl Marx was an outright racist, who went on to state:

"The Negro should not be looked at as human. Rather is best compared to the domesticated animal."
Karl Marx ...

Only of the two above mentioned societies, only one allow for the people to truly decide what is right and wrong.

The other dictates what you are and aren't allow to question.

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The old Chinese curse...

"May you live in interesting times".

They just cancelled the ENTIRE season for Big 10. Forgive the SEC biased website (donovan used to joke about that).

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/sec-football/covid-19-cornavirus-big-ten-10-cancel-football-season-2020/?utm_source=GD365&utm_campaign=GD365&utm_medium=GD365

Mountainman wrote:

Spence wrote:

billybud wrote:

Derek wrote:They just cancelled the ENTIRE season for Big 10. Forgive the SEC biased website (donovan used to joke about that).

This is a good conversation that illustrates where we are today with regards to the pending season:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5AnvnjDJPo

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When I consider all the issues the NCAA and College Football are currently facing, in addition to the COVID Crisis, maybe a ‘time out’ would be the best thing that could happen in order have time to properly and correctly reconsider, reset, reorganize, restructure, or otherwise decide how to best address and implement what and how college football is going to look and be governed going forward.

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And now, the Big 10 says, no football,the Pac 12 is playing follow the lemming.

All while, the ACC & SEC push forward, saying they plan on a season.

The Big XII is oddly silent, as the coaches at Michigan, Nebraska and Ohio State all say we want to play, even if that means finding a schedule elsewhere.

Some say that those mentioned in the last sentence there, are willing to merge for one season. Not sure how the logistics would work in that scenario. But, I get it.

Iowa and Nebraska were the only two of the fourteen Big Ten members who voted to play the season.

Maybe Iowa goes Southwest with 'em. Keeps their instate rivalry alive vs. ISU. If all 4 of those programs defect for a season,the Big XII could have a 14 team conference in 2020.

Nebraska & Iowa went on with contact practices, even after the news that there was a 12-2 vote against the season.

Ohio State is especially in a tight spot. The President voted against playing, but the Coaches want to go ahead and find an alternative. Also, OSU got their first de-commit from the 2021 recruiting class ---
4 Star DE Tunmise Adeleye, de-committed just an hour after the Big 10 announcement there would be no Fall Football

There is still talk about having a Spring Season, as far as the Big 10 & Pac-12 are concerned. However, that brings up a whole slew of other questions, such as:

How could you possibly have the players' best interest and health in heart, when you are asking them to play 22 games in a 9 month block?

If you play in the Spring, then practice camps would have to begin near the Christmas/Winter Holiday Break; how long, then, would you wait between the Spring Season Finale/Championship and the start of 2021 Fall Camp?

Would there even be a break between a Spring Season, and the 2021 Fall Season Championship/Tournament?
[Dec. 2020 - Jan. 2022]

With the PAC-12 seeking a bailout, hoping to draw in private equity investors. They are asking for $750 million, hoping to spread out the revenue to member schools. Yet, reports are saying there could be as much as a $100 million gap, per school.

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Miami Players have been taking video press questions after practices.

Many of the questions, of course, were on the outlook of safety and going forward with the season.

The players have been saying, they feel safer being on campus, and in practice, than being open in their own communities, because of school protocols.

They are also saying that they feel playing the season would be better than being kept away from the field.

Everyday, things seem more & more political, and less about what real effect this thing is having. When the universities cover their tracks, saying it's best for the players' health, yet, the players are saying `nough is `nough, the institutions meandering their slant as virtue might just become their own downfall.

The PAC-12 could potentially serve as a warning sign for everyone else. They banked off of their PAC-12 network drawing in additional viewership. But with fewer & fewer people tuning in, due to a spiking bevy of on-line entertainment and tech device options, they are out dangling on a string, begging for assistance.

The once proud and arrogant pacific bravado, that helped to orchestrate a coup against the Big 12, now finds themselves at the end of the rope.

They already had a soft market, hoping to cash in on the success of their mainstay programs from the early 2000's. But that isn't enough to bring in new interest. And, their former powers are at best, mediocre, when compared to the standing forces in opposing conferences --- Oregon is their last bastion of hope. But without the success Washington had been bringing to the table, and the Ducks not being able to win a significant out of conference regular season game; it just isn't enough.

Now, with the possibility of the season going on without them, the final nail in the coffin might be starting to get hammered down.

The conference as a whole is in tatters, and it very well may be only a short matter of time before they fold altogether.

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This is going to be devastating to the Ohio State. Gene Smith should be fired for being a wuss. The only season there is a season os because of potential law suits. Instead they try to keep the kids in place by promising a potential spring season. Ohio State has 36 varsity sports. Football will never be cut, but how many kid’s scholarships from golf, tennis, swimming, volleyball, etc.. are going to get cut?

What I’m curious about is what factor or factors changed that caused the presidents to vote to shutdown........ it appeared the consensus was to give it a try. I’m assuming either something changed or some predetermined milestone wasn’t met, or is there something else in play.

I recall the school presidents taking a position early on saying, ‘these are students athletes and the students must be on campus or football won’t be played’....... could it be there are considerations of shutting down the entire universities????

Something(s) changed........


I just ran across this article in SI...... could this be what changed their minds????

https://www.si.com/college/2020/08/09/n ... s-concerns

Fear of being sued is a factor. Liberalism is a factor. General Wussy- ness is a major factor.

Spence wrote:Fear of being sued is a factor. Liberalism is a factor. General Wussy- ness is a major factor.

Covering your own a-s-s (CYOA), self righteousness, and no balls...... to put it another way.

........so, how do these same folks justify having 10’s of thousands of students on campus???? It’s been a long time since I was a student, but I doubt the behavior of that group has changed much.