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Boise State to stay in Mountain West

Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 6:22 pm
by armchairqb
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/boise-state-stay-mountain-west-203756079--ncaaf.html

This is the right decision. They also retain the broadcast rights for their home games.

They've also been mostly dominant in the MW/WAC for the last decade. They can continue to build on that.

Re: Boise State to stay in Mountain West

Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 6:33 pm
by Spence
They were in the WAC for the better part of the last decade. They joined the Mountain West in 2010. I agree it was the right move. Boise State should be in the mountain west - PAC - or the b-12. No others really make sense.

Re: Boise State to stay in Mountain West

Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 7:23 pm
by Eric
I think it's amazing that they were able to negotiate for their home tv rights. That's unprecedented for a member of a conference, but they were in the position of power there. I think it's not good for the conference if they're not all in that together. Boise State is a big fish in a small pond to be sure, but that feels wrong and arrogant to me.

It seems to me like the Mountain West shouldn't have an issue with reaching a deal with CBS where they get to put one or two Mountain West games on national TV per season. CBS could show Fresno State at Boise State or something along those lines. They find the time to show two SEC games a few times per year, you figure the Mountain West could get on there at least once as a part of their deal with the CBS Sports Network.

Re: Boise State to stay in Mountain West

Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 7:24 pm
by donovan
I wished they had made the decision for the right reason, and not because the Big East is anything but Big.

I don't think keeping the TV right is arrogant...I think it is just something to remain in control until the MWC regroups and it gets smoothed out. Lot of schools retain the rights. Boise should just be Boise.

http://voices.idahostatesman.com/2012/12/31/bmurphy/boise_state_remain_mountain_west_not_join_big_east

Re: Boise State to stay in Mountain West

Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 8:05 pm
by Spence
I don't see Boise State retaining TV rights arrogant either. They aren't blazing a trail here. Plenty of schools retain TV rights.

Re: Boise State to stay in Mountain West

Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 9:58 pm
by Eric
Like who? Maybe I don't understand what they're talking about, but usually TV rights go to whomever the conference negotiates with a given TV network, no? This move allows Boise State to contract out their home games to the highest bidder, right? No school that I know of in the SEC can spurn CBS, Big 12 Fox, ACC ESPN, etc. If they get selected, that's the station they get broadcast on. This quote was from ESPN:

Such an arrangement is unheard of for a conference member. There are no schools in any FBS conference that retains its home television rights. Still, one industry source believes either the Big East or Mountain West will make an exception for Boise State because they are so desperate to have the Broncos.


I'm under the impression that this is similar to the situation that BYU, Army, Navy, and Notre Dame have as independents where they have full control of reaching tv deals. Teams that are members of conferences agree to abide by the selection process between networks when it comes to games. Am I wrong?

Re: Boise State to stay in Mountain West

Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 11:21 pm
by Spence
Texas has a pretty sweet deal. They have their own channel. Notre Dame of course has had their own deal for years.

Re: Boise State to stay in Mountain West

Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 12:47 am
by Eric
Texas has the thing with Big 12 revenue sharing, but they get one meaningless non-conference game on the Longhorn Network that won't be picked up by ESPN/ABC or Fox. And Notre Dame isn't part of a conference. I say you just sign on with the conference TV deal with whomever the conference agrees with, it's a sign of unity with the rest of the conference members. I understand that the MWC is going to be selling "packages", but that's different than retaining home rights.

Re: Boise State to stay in Mountain West

Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 12:52 am
by Spence
Texas and Oklahoma have weighted deals. Meaning they get more money than the others.

Re: Boise State to stay in Mountain West

Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 1:56 am
by donovan
I am sure I will not explain this correctly, but will give it a try. Television rights are the basis for exorbitant exit fees. The idea being if a school leaves a conference the conference is financially damaged because the TV contracts are lessened and there for the conference suffers financially. So the exit fees are large, that have to be based on actual damages for leaving and not some arbitrary number. So if a school retains the rights to the TV contract, if they choose to leave the conference then the exit fee can not be so large because the conference never owned those rights and therefore their damages are going to be less. That does not preclude a school sharing their TV rights with the conference, it is just the school that is making the decision and not the conference. ESPN certainly does not like this.....where do you think the problem starts. A little research shows that conferences have in fact required schools to give up their rights....well..maybe it is time ESPN quit running college football. "Do you hear the people sing, sing the songs of angry men, its the music of a people who will not be slaves again...."


This link addresses it kind of.. http://businessofcollegesports.com/

Re: Boise State to stay in Mountain West

Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 9:19 am
by warrriorsfan808
donovan wrote:I am sure I will not explain this correctly, but will give it a try. Television rights are the basis for exorbitant exit fees. The idea being if a school leaves a conference the conference is financially damaged because the TV contracts are lessened and there for the conference suffers financially. So the exit fees are large, that have to be based on actual damages for leaving and not some arbitrary number. So if a school retains the rights to the TV contract, if they choose to leave the conference then the exit fee can not be so large because the conference never owned those rights and therefore their damages are going to be less. That does not preclude a school sharing their TV rights with the conference, it is just the school that is making the decision and not the conference. ESPN certainly does not like this.....where do you think the problem starts. A little research shows that conferences have in fact required schools to give up their rights....well..maybe it is time ESPN quit running college football. "Do you hear the people sing, sing the songs of angry men, its the music of a people who will not be slaves again...."


This link addresses it kind of.. http://businessofcollegesports.com/



In the words of a 70's sitcom.... Welcome Back! Your dreams are your ticket out..... Nice to see the Broncos back before they really left! :D

Re: Boise State to stay in Mountain West

Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 10:57 am
by Spence
donovan wrote:I am sure I will not explain this correctly, but will give it a try. Television rights are the basis for exorbitant exit fees. The idea being if a school leaves a conference the conference is financially damaged because the TV contracts are lessened and there for the conference suffers financially. So the exit fees are large, that have to be based on actual damages for leaving and not some arbitrary number. So if a school retains the rights to the TV contract, if they choose to leave the conference then the exit fee can not be so large because the conference never owned those rights and therefore their damages are going to be less. That does not preclude a school sharing their TV rights with the conference, it is just the school that is making the decision and not the conference. ESPN certainly does not like this.....where do you think the problem starts. A little research shows that conferences have in fact required schools to give up their rights....well..maybe it is time ESPN quit running college football. "Do you hear the people sing, sing the songs of angry men, its the music of a people who will not be slaves again...."


This link addresses it kind of.. http://businessofcollegesports.com/


I agree. ESPN has been the push behind so many bad decisions by CFB in the last 10-12 years. They need competition. That will end the ABC-ESPN power play.

Re: Boise State to stay in Mountain West

Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 8:08 pm
by Derek
Spence wrote:
donovan wrote:I am sure I will not explain this correctly, but will give it a try. Television rights are the basis for exorbitant exit fees. The idea being if a school leaves a conference the conference is financially damaged because the TV contracts are lessened and there for the conference suffers financially. So the exit fees are large, that have to be based on actual damages for leaving and not some arbitrary number. So if a school retains the rights to the TV contract, if they choose to leave the conference then the exit fee can not be so large because the conference never owned those rights and therefore their damages are going to be less. That does not preclude a school sharing their TV rights with the conference, it is just the school that is making the decision and not the conference. ESPN certainly does not like this.....where do you think the problem starts. A little research shows that conferences have in fact required schools to give up their rights....well..maybe it is time ESPN quit running college football. "Do you hear the people sing, sing the songs of angry men, its the music of a people who will not be slaves again...."


This link addresses it kind of.. http://businessofcollegesports.com/


I agree. ESPN has been the push behind so many bad decisions by CFB in the last 10-12 years. They need competition. That will end the ABC-ESPN power play.



Yes. I agree. Competition will be good for this "industry", as it is in any other. Boeing needed Douglas, etc etc.

Re: Boise State to stay in Mountain West

Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 10:12 am
by donovan
I think you will see more of this....the conference does not suffer, and the school controls their product. Makes sense to me.

"A key factor in Boise State's decision to remain in the Mountain West has been the Bronco's home football television rights. In its new agreement with the Mountain West, the league will ensure Boise State home football games are not part of any current or future Mountain West Conference wide television rights contract.

The league will guarantee the rights to Boise State home football games that are sold as a separate package. The revenue from such Boise State home football games shall be retained by the Mountain West and added to the Mountain West media revenues to be disbursed in the same manner as all other league media revenues.

Boise State and other football teams in the Mountain West who appear on national television (ESPN, ESPN2, ABC, NBC, CBS and Fox) will be paid a bonus of $300,000 per game, with an additional $200,000 for a Saturday game."

Re: Boise State to stay in Mountain West

Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 2:58 pm
by billybud
Texas and Oklahoma USED to have weighted revenue sharing...but the Big 12-2 now has equal revenue sharing (except for the LHN, Oklahoma net, etc).