If....!!!!!

[billybud]

Against VT...I'd take Bama and give 14 points.

[Cane from the Bend]

It was not a matchup, it was a hypothetical. Oregon is too far down to consider for the NCG. Just an example of two teams that have played this year.

Oklahoma State, or VT deserve a shot at the title, providing they win out.

And if they win out, will be conference champions, Alabama will not.

Yes, but based on BCS criteria, and rules that are in place; Alabama has just as much of a right as Oklahoma State & Va Tech.

Conferences and school names aside:

#2 lost to #1 in Overtime by 3
#3 lost to unranked in overtime by 6
#4 lost to #17 by 20
#5 lost to #9 by 23

note: in the above rankings, I have removed Arkansas as #3, in their place, I moved Oklahoma St, Virginia Tech, Stanford up.

Both #5 and #17 play later tonight (#17 listed as defeating the #4 ranked team)(#17 is playing vs #11)(#17 by default, is still the same team, as I do not think Arkansas' loss will effect Clemson's ranking --- Arkansas' two losses are to the #1 & #2 teams)

There are factors to be considered, yet.
Those factors must play out before being calculated.

I am awaiting those final calculations to determine my opinion over the value of who the two best teams in the nation are.

I am disregarding slant based on; previously played opponents & conference championships
As these are not the criteria formulated by the rules in equating the #1 or #2 ranked teams.

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[Vileborg]

I'm glad the media doesn't decide who is in the national title game. I'm glad they lost their right.

The precedents are in place that you don't win your conference you don't get to play for the title. There are precedents in place that we don't do rematches. These precedents have burned Michigan, Va Tech, Georgia, and several other teams. You want to go to the national title game you win your conference and beat who you have to beat. Since it's been settled on the field we don't need to see it again. Case settled, Alabama lost, let's move on.


We've had a mini-playoff in that LSU and Bama played. The winner advances, the loser loses out. Enough said!

[Derek]

thank you vile!!

Good win today BTW. THey lit em up.

[Derek]

It was not a matchup, it was a hypothetical. Oregon is too far down to consider for the NCG. Just an example of two teams that have played this year.

Oklahoma State, or VT deserve a shot at the title, providing they win out.

And if they win out, will be conference champions, Alabama will not.

Yes, but based on BCS criteria, and rules that are in place; Alabama has just as much of a right as Oklahoma State & Va Tech.

Conferences and school names aside:

#2 lost to #1 in Overtime by 3
#3 lost to unranked in overtime by 6
#4 lost to #17 by 20
#5 lost to #9 by 23

note: in the above rankings, I have removed Arkansas as #3, in their place, I moved Oklahoma St, Virginia Tech, Stanford up.

Both #5 and #17 play later tonight (#17 listed as defeating the #4 ranked team)(#17 is playing vs #11)(#17 by default, is still the same team, as I do not think Arkansas' loss will effect Clemson's ranking --- Arkansas' two losses are to the #1 & #2 teams)

There are factors to be considered, yet.
Those factors must play out before being calculated.

I am awaiting those final calculations to determine my opinion over the value of who the two best teams in the nation are.

I am disregarding slant based on; previously played opponents & conference championships
As these are not the criteria formulated by the rules in equating the #1 or #2 ranked teams.

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Your still going on Fairness and SOS. THATS NOT THE ISSUE. Jeez.

[billybud]

I'm glad the media doesn't decide who is in the national title game. I'm glad they lost their right.

The precedents are in place that you don't win your conference you don't get to play for the title. There are precedents in place that we don't do rematches. These precedents have burned Michigan, Va Tech, Georgia, and several other teams. You want to go to the national title game you win your conference and beat who you have to beat. Since it's been settled on the field we don't need to see it again. Case settled, Alabama lost, let's move on.


We've had a mini-playoff in that LSU and Bama played. The winner advances, the loser loses out. Enough said!

Had other mini playoffs...each team loss to a kesser team than Bama..they are out.

There also is a precedent for rematches...FSU and Florida in 1996...

[billybud]

I know 96 was pre BCS...but there is nothinig in the BCS point system that negates a rematch....

Georgia was out because they had a worse record than the teams ahead of them...

[Derek]

I know 96 was pre BCS...but there is nothinig in the BCS point system that negates a rematch....

Georgia was out because they had a worse record than the teams ahead of them...

No they did not. LSU had 2 losses, so did Georgia.

Record had nothing to do with it. If they had a better record, why was Ga ranked ahead of them??

[Cane from the Bend]

Your still going on Fairness and SOS. THATS NOT THE ISSUE. Jeez.

No, I'm not referring to fairness, you are.
I'm basing my decision on criteria.

You are the one painting a picture for how Georgia got robbed, and it would not be fair (to Georgia) letting Alabama play for the National title, because Georgia didn't get the same opportunity.

Strength of Schedule is the issue.

When there are as many teams within the position to reach into the national championship as there currently are; you need some method to formulate their chances of playing in that game.

With the BCS system; Strength of schedule does exactly that.

It is a design specifically to find the top two college football teams, according to the format. Right now, those teams are LSU & Alabama. Fair has nothing to do with it.

Eric was arguing on the side of being fair.

He mentioned that it would not be fair to LSU to have to play Alabama a second time.
Yet, the crowd in Baton Rouge seem to think differently.

They were chanting, "We want Bama", by the end of the game yesterday.

As for me, I want the system to do the job it is supposed to do.

You simply do not get it, and that's fine.
I realize that, and will take your opinion as a reflection of so.

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[Vileborg]

Against VT...I'd take Bama and give 14 points.

Alabama is almost as one dimensional as Georgia Tech. The difference is they don't run as complex an offense. That is exactly why Les Miles wants to see Alabama again. It's the easiest win of the top 10 teams and your right I'd take Va Tech by 14 and call it a push.

[Cane from the Bend]

I know 96 was pre BCS...but there is nothinig in the BCS point system that negates a rematch....

Georgia was out because they had a worse record than the teams ahead of them...

No they did not. LSU had 2 losses, so did Georgia.

Record had nothing to do with it. If they had a better record, why was Ga ranked ahead of them??

Actually, record did have to do with it, just indirectly.

Georgia may have had the same record as LSU.
However, they both had one more loss than Ohio St.

LSU, on-the-other-hand, had been ranked higher than Georgia all season.

Week One --- LSU #2 --- Georgia #13
Week Two --- LSU #2 --- Georgia #11
Week Three --- LSU #2 --- Georgia #23
Week Four --- LSU #2 --- Georgia #22
Week Five --- LSU #2 --- Georgia #15
Week Six --- LSU #1 --- Georgia #12
Week Seven --- LSU #1 --- Georgia #24
Week Eight --- LSU #5 --- Georgia #20
Week Nine --- LSU #3 --- Georgia #10
Week Ten --- LSU #2 --- Georgia #10
Week Eleven --- LSU #1 --- Georgia #8
Week Twelve --- LSU #1 --- Georgia #6

Conference Championship Week --- LSU #5

What happened wasn't that LSU won the conference to get into the National Championship.
Instead, LSU played one more game than Georgia did, against Tennessee who was #14.

That is where the Strength of Schedule worked against Georgia. That one extra win vs a BCS ranked opponent raised LSU's Schedule Strength sufficiently enough to have a higher final ranking. Not because the Tigers won the conference. Because Georgia & LSU had the same number of losses; LSU having +1 win, vs a ranked opponent.

However, you are misrepresenting your argument by claiming this season is the same as 2007.

LSU & Georgia are in the same conference, true.
However, Ohio St was the team ranked #1.

Your gripe does not reflect that season at all.

Alabama is ranked #2.
Georgia never was.

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[Cane from the Bend]

Against VT...I'd take Bama and give 14 points.

Alabama is almost as one dimensional as Georgia Tech. The difference is they don't run as complex an offense. That is exactly why Les Miles wants to see Alabama again. It's the easiest win of the top 10 teams and your right I'd take Va Tech by 14 and call it a push.

That is speculation at its best.

I think Les Miles does not want to play against `Bama again.

I'm an ACC guy; but I'd take the Tide vs anyone in our conference. Hands down.

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[Eric]

I might take USC against anyone in the nation right now. If you ask me, maybe outside of LSU, I think they are playing the best football.

[Eric]

LSU beat a decent Tennessee team in the conference championship by 7 points. At the time, LSU was #7 in the BCS, #5 in Harris, #7 in the coaches. Georgia was #4 in the BCS, #4 in the Harris, #4 in the coaches. Missouri and West Virginia were #1 and #2 respectively and both lost. What happened to Georgia? Well, miraculously, LSU's 7 point win over a 9-3 Tennessee team was convincing enough for them to jump Georgia all the way up to #2. Oklahoma's win over Missouri also got them to jump over Georgia. Everyone dismissed Georgia in favor of LSU because Georgia didn't win their division. Nobody was talking about whether or not they were the best team in the nation, they were completely forgotten about. All the talk was about "pushing the reset button" which was just code for "have LSU hop over Georgia, Virginia Tech, and Kansas to the #2 slot so they can play Ohio State for the title." Precedent went completely out the window. Generally, if a team is idle and a team in front of them lose, you don't punish the team and they move up. LSU's solid win over solid Tennessee by 7 points was treated like they beat the #1 team in the land and saw them move up 5 spots (when only 2 teams in front of them lost).

[Cane from the Bend]

LSU beat a decent Tennessee team in the conference championship by 7 points. At the time, LSU was #7 in the BCS, #5 in Harris, #7 in the coaches. Georgia was #4 in the BCS, #4 in the Harris, #4 in the coaches. Missouri and West Virginia were #1 and #2 respectively and both lost. What happened to Georgia? Well, miraculously, LSU's 7 point win over a 9-3 Tennessee team was convincing enough for them to jump Georgia all the way up to #2. Oklahoma's win over Missouri also got them to jump over Georgia. Everyone dismissed Georgia in favor of LSU because Georgia didn't win their division. Nobody was talking about whether or not they were the best team in the nation, they were completely forgotten about. All the talk was about "pushing the reset button" which was just code for "have LSU hop over Georgia, Virginia Tech, and Kansas to the #2 slot so they can play Ohio State for the title." Precedent went completely out the window. Generally, if a team is idle and a team in front of them lose, you don't punish the team and they move up. LSU's solid win over solid Tennessee by 7 points was treated like they beat the #1 team in the land and saw them move up 5 spots (when only 2 teams in front of them lost).

It was the preseason perception that had Georgia pushed to the side.

LSU was ranked higher all season long.
Georgia had win win their way up the poll.

Generally, benefit of the doubt goes and precedent goes hand in hand with predetermined assumption.
LSU was the team the voters wanted all year. They got their wish.


After the Championship game, LSU was ranked ahead.
+1 win, not Georgia's lack of Championship appearance is why LSU.
The media can spin it anyway they want to, but it is all talk.
The system positioned the teams based on total opponents.

Miami directly beat FSU in 2000.
FSU play 1 more game than Miami.
FSU played for the BCS title.
Miami beat florida in the Sugar Bowl.

Did the system get it right?
Yes.
Margin of victory was a factor then.
Miami beat fsu because of a FG miss.

FSU went on to play one more game on the season, as well as having more ranked teams on their schedule.

Another factor you have to look at, is direct wins, and indirect losses.
If a team you had beaten wins, you schedule strength goes up.
If a team you beat loses, then your schedule strength goes down.
If a team you lost to loses, then you are screwed.


Which is why USC got skipped over for LSU in 2003.
Because California lost six games.

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