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Re: Soooooo,

Postby Mountainman » Wed Oct 02, 2019 8:14 am

PAC12 pushes back on California ‘Pay-For-Play’ law.

Western Athletic Conference Commissioner pushes back on California ‘Pay-For-Play’ law.

Barry Alvarez, Athletic Director at Wisconsin, says, ‘we won’t be scheduling any California Schools in the future........ ‘


https://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-ba ... 650ktx8gmn
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Re: Soooooo,

Postby Spence » Wed Oct 02, 2019 10:24 am

Mountainman wrote:PAC12 pushes back on California ‘Pay-For-Play’ law.

Western Athletic Conference Commissioner pushes back on California ‘Pay-For-Play’ law.

Barry Alvarez, Athletic Director at Wisconsin, says, ‘we won’t be scheduling any California Schools in the future........ ‘


https://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-ba ... 650ktx8gmn


If the NCAA doesn't allow them in the tournament and no one will schedule them, it will backfire in their face badly.
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Re: Soooooo,

Postby Cane from the Bend » Wed Oct 02, 2019 7:48 pm

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Of course this is an election cycle ...

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/285 ... e-football

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"It is only impossible until it has been accomplished." ... then it becomes standardized ...

Success is measured by results; whereas Character is measured through the means by which one achieves those results . . .

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In Memory of Donovan Davisson

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Re: Soooooo,

Postby Cane from the Bend » Wed Oct 02, 2019 7:49 pm

Cane... [__]

"It is only impossible until it has been accomplished." ... then it becomes standardized ...

Success is measured by results; whereas Character is measured through the means by which one achieves those results . . .

It seems the Rapture did come for two worthy souls:
In Memory of Grandpa Howdy
In Memory of Donovan Davisson

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Re: Soooooo,

Postby Spence » Wed Oct 02, 2019 10:01 pm

I wonder what Gene Smith's feelings as a former player are and not just the opinion of a college administrator?
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Re: Soooooo,

Postby Mountainman » Thu Oct 03, 2019 10:20 am

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is.

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Re: Soooooo,

Postby Mountainman » Thu Oct 03, 2019 10:24 am

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is.

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Re: Soooooo,

Postby Spence » Thu Oct 03, 2019 10:46 am

Gonzalez has been out long enough to have some perspective and close enough to his college graduation to still remember the challenges that players face.
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Re: Soooooo,

Postby Mountainman » Thu Oct 03, 2019 9:25 pm

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is.

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Re: Soooooo,

Postby Spence » Thu Oct 03, 2019 10:41 pm

The NCAA could have avoided all of this a couple years ago by addressing the issues. They have spent the last couple years trying to find a way to make it seem like they are changing without really doing anything. The NCAA and Congress have a lot in common.
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Re: Soooooo,

Postby Mountainman » Thu Oct 03, 2019 11:28 pm

Amen to that, Spence....... I asked about that on a local talk radio show ‘why does seem it to guys like me that the NCAA is more often than not behind the curve on issues such as this’???

The answer I got was that this was ‘on their agenda’, but were in a lawsuit concerning this very topic, which they settled for around 250 million, and had formed a committee to study the issue.’ As I understood it, the committee was formed well before California passed the law.

I realize he didn’t answer my question....... :wink:


In any event, another concern I have of possibilities is that this notion of ‘play for play’ in it’s current form will greatly impact the recruiting of high school players in that they will simply be up for bid. :|
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Re: Soooooo,

Postby billybud » Fri Oct 04, 2019 7:30 am

It's really not the NCAA (which is just college Presidents).... but us.

We are the ones who have made college ball what it is today...$7 million a year coaches, billion dollar network contracts, almost insatiable demand for the entertainment, fans who demand winning above all.

Donovan and I remember the days when it wasn't so. When Bobby Bowden was paid $35,000 at FSU and Woody Hayes $43,000 in his last year. When there were not dozens of games shown on TV, when athletes kind of looked like the students and not jacked muscle beach look a likes.

I don't think that it was much of a joke when the Ohio State President said of his coach in trouble...""I'm just hoping that the coach doesn't dismiss me".

We demand winning.



I think that college Presidents would not at all mind some semblance of the student athlete aura that the sport once had. But we, the fans, have created the ever upward spiraling arms race that has made our game professional.
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Re: Soooooo,

Postby Spence » Fri Oct 04, 2019 7:58 am

True
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Re: Soooooo,

Postby Mountainman » Fri Oct 04, 2019 9:54 am

Fans are a revenue source and coaches are employees. Neither have rule making authority. Rule making authority lies solely with other entities, at most fans and coaches have only ‘some’ influence as to what the Rule Makers may consider.


........btw, both Jim Tressel and Gordon Gee left Ohio State after rules violation that were made by entities other than either of them.
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Re: Soooooo,

Postby billybud » Fri Oct 04, 2019 11:08 am

dream on....

The billions come from fans...directly and indirectly.

The media contracts, the apparrel contracts, the season tickets...everything that makes college football what it is today is fan driven.

And...let's not kid ourselves...it is money and philosophy that separates the Brown University football team and the Ohio State football team. Ohio States spends $100 miillion a year....Brown, like rest of the Ivies, operates under conference philosophy that is more scholar-athlete oriented.

"From its founding, the Ivy League has intended that members of teams “shall be truly representative of the student body and not composed of a group of specially recruited athletes” and that competitive equity should be the norm, rather than the exception. In an effort to help ensure and enforce the principles of “representativeness” and “competitive equity” in athletics, the League has, over the past 50 years, created a series of complex regulations and statistical boundaries around the admission of athletes. The Ivy League sets limits on the maximum number of athletes each school can matriculate over a four-year period based on the number of teams it supports."

Cornell vs Yale is a decent game...it just does not excite Americans like the gladiator contests of The Big Ten or SEC.

The same fans that whine about how things are, would march on the school with torches and pitch forks if the school announced that they wanted to jump off of the carousel and go to Division II or III.

UAB dumped football...only to have a major insurrection that forced the trustees to back the wagon up.

There is a purity of sorts watching teams from the Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference or the USA South Athletic Conference play each other...but most of America wants to watch Wisconsin vs Ohio State.
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