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Re: CFP Bowl Pickem Standings

Postby BYUfan1 » Wed Jan 12, 2011 6:30 pm

billybud wrote:I love BYU...Playing that mighty UTEP program and showing them what's what.

While BYU is an easy beat down for the Noles, every time, a win is hard to come by for a weak team like UTEP. UTEP looked good against the worst teams in the country like New Mexico and New Mexico State but got bombed by other better teams...lost by 28 to BYU, 30 to Houston, 37 to Arkansas, 20 to Tulane, etc. It goes to show that you can schedule a win.



Look who's talking. Florida State played the sixth best team in the SEC-big challenge there. Florida was the only SEC East school to win a bowl game and that was mainly because the Outback Bowl took Penn State instead of Iowa although Iowa beat Penn State in the regular season.

You just like to trash certain teams when you start ripping them for whom they play in a bowl game when they have no control over that. Why don't you rip Oklahoma for playing UConn or Florida for playing Penn State, etc.
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Re: CFP Bowl Pickem Standings

Postby billybud » Mon Jan 17, 2011 5:31 pm

Hey...FSU beat Florida too...and next the SEC East Champ...beats the crap out of beating UTEP or BYU.
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Re: CFP Bowl Pickem Standings

Postby BYUfan1 » Mon Jan 17, 2011 5:40 pm

billybud wrote:Hey...FSU beat Florida too...and next the SEC East Champ...beats the crap out of beating UTEP or BYU.



Oh give me a break. The whole SEC East was garbarge this year. Florida State beat Florida and still was not best team in the state of Florida-Central Florida was.
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Re: CFP Bowl Pickem Standings

Postby RazorHawk » Mon Jan 17, 2011 5:59 pm

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billybud wrote:Hey...FSU beat Florida too...and next the SEC East Champ...beats the crap out of beating UTEP or BYU.



Oh give me a break. The whole SEC was garbarge this year. Florida State beat Florida and still was not best team in the state of Florida-Central Florida was.
SEC = Garbarge ? If you were trying to say that the SEC was "Garbage", not sure how you come to that conclusion. The SEC had the National Championship winner, 4 teams in the top 16 BCS rankings and 5 teams in the top 21. If you were saying that the SEC East was down this year, I would agree, but not the whole SEC being down.
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Re: CFP Bowl Pickem Standings

Postby Spence » Mon Jan 17, 2011 7:30 pm

The SEC was down in terms of how good they have been the past five or six years. Still about even or above most other conferences. The SEC has been really good the last five or six years. Good teams in both divisions. They have been a step above everyone else until this year --- and one of their teams still won the NCG. Pretty impressive.
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Re: CFP Bowl Pickem Standings

Postby RazorHawk » Mon Jan 17, 2011 8:13 pm

Spence wrote:The SEC was down in terms of how good they have been the past five or six years. Still about even or above most other conferences. The SEC has been really good the last five or six years. Good teams in both divisions. They have been a step above everyone else until this year --- and one of their teams still won the NCG. Pretty impressive.

I am not sure the SEC, as a whole, was down. People see Florida and Tennessee down and equate that to the conference being down. I think Auburn and Arkansas made up for that. I don't remember any recent years with more than 5 SEC teams rated in the top 25 at year end. The East Division has in the past been the stronger division, whereas this year the power was in the West.

I haven't done any research, but don't think the SEC has had 6 teams in the top 21 at year end in many, if any, years.
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Re: CFP Bowl Pickem Standings

Postby Spence » Mon Jan 17, 2011 8:24 pm

I don't know either, but that isn't what I meant. I think that the SEC teams that were good weren't as head and shoulders better than they have been the last few years. Auburn, although a very good team, wasn't as good as I thought. LSU wasn't the usual LSU team. Florida was lots worse then they have been. Bama, maybe as good, but not as focused. Georgia really struggled. Just not your typical SEC year. I did think Arkansas was as good as there was in the SEC until the bowl game. I think Arkansas just had a bad Sugar Bowl, but the talent was good enough to beat anyone in the nation. I said that before and I still believe it. Arkansas having a bad game, and Wisconsin's stupid game plan, were my only real surprises among the top teams.
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Re: CFP Bowl Pickem Standings

Postby RazorHawk » Mon Jan 17, 2011 8:50 pm

I hate to enter facts in the discussion, but I just finished putting the final BCS Rankings into an Excel spreadsheet. I discovered some very interesting facts from this information going back to 1998. Keep in mind, the final BCS ranking is at the completion of the regular season.

In the 13 years, an SEC team has been ranked 1st only 3 times.

Only one year were there more than 5 SEC teams in the final ranking. The year 2010. So much for saying the SEC had a down year this year.

I have attached the sheet, for all the years.
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Re: CFP Bowl Pickem Standings

Postby Spence » Mon Jan 17, 2011 9:20 pm

Don't you think the rankings have more to do with the past years of being good than this year. That is how the rankings generally work. Also while I don't believe the SEC is as talented this year as some recent years, I also believe the rest of CFB teams weren't great either. I don't think Oregon was a great team, or Ohio State. I think Wisconsin was a good team so I'm giving TCU the benefit of the doubt. I think Auburn either had a bad game or wasn't as good as we thought. Oklahoma wasn't good, about like Ohio State. UConn shouldn't have been in the game.
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Re: CFP Bowl Pickem Standings

Postby Jason G » Tue Jan 18, 2011 8:41 am

Spence wrote:Don't you think the rankings have more to do with the past years of being good than this year.


Yes, I do. That is one of the primary reasons that I think rankings, especially those compiled by human opinion, are largely bogus. There are all kinds of biases running throughout them, not the least of which is taking into account how big of a name a school has or how they've done in seasons past that shouldn't be considered. Another big factor in human polls is simply media attention. Schools like Notre Dame, Michigan, Ohio State and USC will always be ranked when they have a decent record no matter how good their team actually may be simply because they have the big national spotlight on them.

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Re: CFP Bowl Pickem Standings

Postby GoBoilers » Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:08 am

:) :lol: :wink: No one cares about the SEC. Where are they located? :P :P :P
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Re: CFP Bowl Pickem Standings

Postby donovan » Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:50 am

GoBoilers wrote::) :lol: :wink: No one cares about the SEC. Where are they located? :P :P :P


Good question. Here is their Main address

ESPN Plaza,
935 Middle St.
Bristol, CT
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United States
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Re: CFP Bowl Pickem Standings

Postby RazorHawk » Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:52 am

donovan wrote:
GoBoilers wrote::) :lol: :wink: No one cares about the SEC. Where are they located? :P :P :P


Good question. Here is their Main address

ESPN Plaza,
935 Middle St.
Bristol, CT
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United States

That used to be the Big Ten office, until they started their own network.
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Re: CFP Bowl Pickem Standings

Postby Spence » Tue Jan 18, 2011 12:13 pm

RazorHawk wrote:
donovan wrote:
GoBoilers wrote::) :lol: :wink: No one cares about the SEC. Where are they located? :P :P :P


Good question. Here is their Main address

ESPN Plaza,
935 Middle St.
Bristol, CT
06010
United States

That used to be the Big Ten office, until they started their own network.


The Big Ten still uses that address too. :lol:
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Re: CFP Bowl Pickem Standings

Postby billybud » Tue Jan 18, 2011 2:42 pm

Jason...there is a product image. A consistancy of sorts over time. When you see a ten win Alabama, folks feel pretty comfortable with what kind of team they must they have.

If you see a 10 win Miami of Ohio, Ball State, or Hawaii....you aren't as sure of that product. Folks don't know what those ten wins mean.

In a ten win Bama team...folks are pretty sure that they are competitive with the good teams...a ten win Miami of Ohio doesn't translate the same way.
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