Boise State being snubbed by BCS

[..fanatic]

I throw in my two cents on the side that says Boise got shafted. They were solidly within the top 10 of the BCS Standings, and consistently higher than Ohio State which had two losses, albeit to No. 5 USC and No. 8 Penn State - it was still TWO losses. I would have rather seen Boise State/Utah settle the score between which of them really was the better non-BCS 12-0 team by playing each other in the Fiesta Bowl. It still would have sold out and intrigue would have brought TV ratings. After all, that's what these bowls could/should be about.

That would put Texas and Alabama in the Sugar Bowl which both schools would have loved.

Instead, we get Utah-Alabama (ho-hum) and Texas-Ohio State (not interesting).

[Spence]

I agree that Boise State got the shaft and they deserve to go ahead of Ohio State. I'm not sure Boise State playing Utah proves anything, though, in terms of what mid majors want to prove. Boise State vs. Oklahoma proved something a few years ago. Utah vs. Pitt earlier on didn't prove anything because Pitt was bad. I like Utah-Alabama. Utah has the chance to prove they are good against a proven team. Boise St -Texas would have done the same. We like to cry that the middies need to schedule better OOC. Then the majors go a schedule one or more 1-AA teams in their OOC schedule. We let them off by saying the part of their schedule they can't control is stronger. Maybe it is, maybe not. As long as we all don't start playing each other we will never know.

[Eric]

I think that's what we forget sometimes. It is a two-way street, after all. Why should a team like Ohio State or Florida or LSU or USC risk getting a home-and-home series done with a team like Boise State? The major teams rarely want to get a fair deal done. They'd be glad to schedule Kent State or SMU from the FBS ranks, as long as they don't have a shot at losing the game. Boise State, Utah, and TCU are in a different class when it comes to this stuff. I don't think Oklahoma has a return trip to Fort Worth. Why should they leave the comfy confines of Norman to play TCU in a game where they have nothing to gain and everything to lose?

[RazorHawk]

It is only in one area that I harp.....If you invite someone to the party, they should be able to drink the punch. If they can not drink the punch on an equal basis with everyone else invited...do not invite them

But they were invited and to let them have equal swillage...hows that for a word...it becomes unfair to those that have...this is a lousy analogy ....that had to work harder to get an invite.

I have been invited to parties that I knew I really did not belong. Therefore, I declined the invitation, and instead of punch, drank beers with my buddies at the golf course.

[billybud]

I think that's what we forget sometimes. It is a two-way street, after all. Why should a team like Ohio State or Florida or LSU or USC risk getting a home-and-home series done with a team like Boise State? The major teams rarely want to get a fair deal done. They'd be glad to schedule Kent State or SMU from the FBS ranks, as long as they don't have a shot at losing the game. Boise State, Utah, and TCU are in a different class when it comes to this stuff. I don't think Oklahoma has a return trip to Fort Worth. Why should they leave the comfy confines of Norman to play TCU in a game where they have nothing to gain and everything to lose?

Bullfeathers! Eric...just plain BS.

If others can schedule. so can Boise. If BYU can schedule teams like FSU and Boston College, so can Boise. I downrate Boise because they have consciously avoided such scheduling...looking on Boise's calendar through 2015, the only BCS schools scheduled are Oregon and Oregon State.

Other schools have done much better..and if they can, Boise can..

Air Force...FSU, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Wake Forest, Cincinnati, Iowa State, Minnesota, Navy (most are home and homes)

Fresno State...Illinois, Wisconsin, Cincinnati, Ole Miss, Nebraska, Colorado (home and homes)

Wyoming...Texas, Colorado, Missouri, Nebraska (3X), and Oregon...home and homes except with Nebraska..1 home and 2 away (way to go Cowboys)

[donovan]

I think you need to do a little research. Here is the Boise Schedule of Non Conference games and FSU'S. I am liking the common denominator between the two is BYU.

I have highlighted the teams I think are good games for the purpose you so acridly defend.

BSU

2009
Sat, Sep 05 Oregon Boise, ID (Bronco Stadium) TBA
Sat, Sep 12 Toledo at Toledo, OH (Glass Bowl) TBA
Sat, Sep 19 UC Davis Boise, ID (Bronco Stadium) TBA
Sat, Sep 26 Miami (OH) Boise, ID (Bronco Stadium) TBA
Sat, Oct 03 Tulsa at Tulsa, OK TBA

2010
Sat, Sep 11 Toledo Boise, ID (Bronco Stadium) TBA
Sat, Sep 25 Oregon State Boise, ID (Bronco Stadium) TBA
Sat, Oct 02 Miami (OH) at Miami, OH (Yager Stadium) TBA

2011

Sat, Sep 22 BYU Boise, ID (Bronco Stadium)

2012

Sat, Sep 07 BYU at Provo, UT (LaVell Edwards Stadium)

2013

Sat, Sep 06 BYU Boise, ID (Bronco Stadium) TBA

2014

Sat, Sep 12 BYU at Provo, UT (LaVell Edwards Stadium) TBA


FSU
2008
Colorado

2009
Maine
BYU

2010
BYU
Maine

2011
Air Force
Oklahoma

2012
Florida
Air Force

2013

Florida

2014

Florida

2015
Florida

I suggest that Boise's Non conference games are more diverse and excluding Florida..which hard to exclude and an easy schedule for FSU, Boise's is a lot closer in comparison than you have suggested. (I got these off the respective websites)

[billybud]

Donovan...I suggest that you research...my post is correct.

The only BCS teams Boise has scheduled are Oregon and Oregon State.

The issue is BCS teams scheduled...FSU will play from 2009 thru season's close of 2015...a minimum of 60 BCS team games (excluding bowls)...Boise will play two?

Two? That is laughable.


(and..check your accuracy..you missed FSU's date with Oklahoma in 2010, and West Virgina in 2012 and 2013)

[billybud]

While games with Toledo, Miami of Ohio, & UC Davis are undeniably exciting to some....I'd rather watch FSU play its games with Oklahoma, Florida, & West Virginia...heck, FSU's non BCS schedule of Air Force, BYU, and TCU...(FSU is currently negotiating with TCU for a two year deal to replace Maine) sound like a strong Boise schedule.

[donovan]

Donovan...I suggest that you research...my post is correct.

The only BCS teams Boise has scheduled are Oregon and Oregon State.

The issue is BCS teams scheduled...FSU will play from 2009 thru season's close of 2015...a minimum of 60 BCS team games (excluding bowls)...Boise will play two?

Two? That is laughable.


(and..check your accuracy..you missed FSU's date with Oklahoma in 2010, and West Virgina in 2012 and 2013)

You are right.....you are always right. I am going stop posting on this board for a time. The cynicism, rancor and arrogance is not to my liking, it has stop being fun. I hope the bowl games are good and entertaining, I know much discussion will ensue, I just for a period of time do not want to be part of it. Take care, Donovan

[billybud]

Donovan..

Cynicism..nope...rancor (if someone who disagrees and does so with some thought meets your criteria, maybe) but I say nope......arrogance? I don't know, it is just a discussion...and if you are a fan of a non BCS school, all BCS school fans are arrogant.

I have, from my earliest posts on this board 2 1/2 years ago, maintained a consistent thought about the importance of SOS in determining the value of wins...

I am however, truly sorry that you get disheartened by that discussion...and maybe it is overdone..but it is an issue at bowl time..and LOL...have you known me to shrink from having an opinion?

Enjoy your break...see you later...BBB

[winter_kills_stuff]

Donovan...I suggest that you research...my post is correct.

The only BCS teams Boise has scheduled are Oregon and Oregon State.

2009
Sat, Sep 05 Oregon Boise, ID (Bronco Stadium) TBA
Sat, Sep 12 Toledo at Toledo, OH (Glass Bowl) TBA
Sat, Sep 19 UC Davis Boise, ID (Bronco Stadium) TBA
Sat, Sep 26 Miami (OH) Boise, ID (Bronco Stadium) TBA
Sat, Oct 03 Tulsa at Tulsa, OK TBA

2010
Sat, Sep 11 Toledo Boise, ID (Bronco Stadium) TBA
Sat, Sep 25 Oregon State Boise, ID (Bronco Stadium) TBA
Sat, Oct 02 Miami (OH) at Miami, OH (Yager Stadium) TBA


The issue is BCS teams scheduled...FSU will play from 2009 thru season's close of 2015...a minimum of 60 BCS team games (excluding bowls)...Boise will play two?

Two? That is laughable.


(and..check your accuracy..you missed FSU's date with Oklahoma in 2010, and West Virgina in 2012 and 2013)

I am going to be as objective as I can, but I can't simply allow you to tear apart another football team, without merit.
You begin by ignoring that Boise is scheduling teams from a BCS conference, nearly every year. Says a lot for a football program, that not long ago was in the Big Sky Conference. That they are competing (and winning) says a lot more. Only the team (Oregon) that beat the front-runner for the Pac Ten Conference, outright, in convincing fashion, no less. Only did it on the road, but I guess that wasn't critical to your analysis, either.

Does FSU's 60 BCS games have anything to do with the fact they play in a BCS conference? How many OOC? That was the point Donovan was making. To use the fact Boise plays in a non-BCS conference I think is pretty lame, myself. You are operating on the presumption that an ACC team is inherently better than a comparable WAC team. I interpret that to mean Maryland should have no trouble beating Nevada? Anyone who buys into your bologna would have to accept that as valid.

Also, you imply that it's all about scheduling, as if nothing else matters. Didn't Boise St already beat a BCS team? I seem to recall they did, and did it pretty convincingly, although I will acknowledge Oklahoma didn't quit. But, they still lost, 44-43. To suggest that it wasn't a fair comparison, between two football teams, I think is pretty sad. It was and it still is, IMO.

In another thread you stated, wrongly, that Hawaii wasn't competitive vs. Georgia. They were, but they were outmatched.
They lost. (you were wrong about the score, but I forgive you for being ignorant). Hawaii still is competitive. Is N.D. BCS?
Guess we'll find out how bad Hawaii is when they play them in the Honolulu Bowl, won't we? You can't ignore facts!

You won't even back your conference champion, in a bowl pairing against a former C-USA member. Why? It's because you're afraid you are going to lose. Virginia Tech's a quality football team. Better than most. Probably better, at least from a personnel standpoint, than Cincinnati. If you really were sold on the ACC, you wouldn't hedge. But what do I know?

[billybud]

Oh barf winter boy...How many OOC BCS games is FSU scheduled for? Well, take the number that Boise is scheduled for and multiply that number by about six...

Boise knows they need to upschedule but chooses not to schedule the big boys...I don't cry for them come BCS bowl time.

[RazorHawk]

Oh barf winter boy...How many OOC BCS games is FSU scheduled for? Well, take the number that Boise is scheduled for and multiply that number by about six...

Boise knows they need to upschedule but chooses not to schedule the big boys...I don't cry for them come BCS bowl time.

I am with you on this. If you are in a BCS conference, that normally assures you of at least 8 BCS opponents. If you are not in a BCS conference and your objective is to get to a BCS Bowl or BCS National Championship, then you better schedule 3 or 4 BCS opponents, even if this means not being able to get home and home games. The chances for a non-BCS team to get home and home games is not good.

I really agree with Donovan on this and feel that the majority of the non-BCS schools should be in their own division as they really are not on an equal basis with the BCS schools.

[GoBoilers]

Granted we had a few unbeatens. The simple solution is play better. Go undefeated and run up the score. Boise scored a lot against Fresno in their finale, even then there was no guarantee. There will always be slights but, that keeps the fun arguements going. That's why golf is so good. Your own scoring speaks for itself assuming it's the same competition. Therein is the inequality. Can't compare fairly anyone's competition if it isn't equal. Oklahoma's non conference schedule was better than Texas's and that may be a small reason for their getting the conference bid/votes.

Me? I would have still given Boise a bid because I like to mix it up!!!!!!!!!!!!

[RazorHawk]

Granted we had a few unbeatens. The simple solution is play better. Go undefeated and run up the score. Boise scored a lot against Fresno in their finale, even then there was no guarantee. There will always be slights but, that keeps the fun arguements going. That's why golf is so good. Your own scoring speaks for itself assuming it's the same competition. Therein is the inequality. Can't compare fairly anyone's competition if it isn't equal. Oklahoma's non conference schedule was better than Texas's and that may be a small reason for their getting the conference bid/votes.

Me? I would have still given Boise a bid because I like to mix it up!!!!!!!!!!!!

I like your golf analogy. It would be akin to saying that you shooting 275 on a cow pasture in Texas for 72 holes, while Tiger woods was shooting 280 on the week at the US Open and you were claiming to be on his level. No way to know if that would be true, but all the information available would suggest your claim to be false.