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Re: Oregon's Schedule

Postby donovan » Fri Oct 29, 2010 9:12 am

At last, a recognition of why all of this prattle is just that....No one knows...for proprietary reasons, I suppose...how various SOS are determined. Some are static and some change for some reason known only to the programmer. We talk about computers and deity in the same breath when in fact SOS is the arbitrary factor in all of this. Personally I think human polls use SOS. Not sure what are criteria is, but we generally give credence to a win over perceived better teams than we would say...a team like..hmm.. Boise. (Oh..bad example...we wouldn't know that...ah...guessing how it might me is just as good.) :D
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Re: Oregon's Schedule

Postby WoVeU » Fri Oct 29, 2010 11:31 am

chooseaspy wrote:Massey has Michigan St. below both Boise and TCU by about 10-20 spots for SOS, while CCR has the opposite. The big secret may be how SOS is calculated, since that is really what makes a 10-2 record = 12-0 record ... by manipulating SOS modifiers, a computer (programmer) could effectively add or take away wins from a team, or group of teams. If one program only looked at opponents records, for example, Michigan St. would look pretty good...but, when you start looking at who those teams beat, it gets ugly, and even uglier when you see who those other teams beat...that's where creative SOS programs could really skew results, and no one would complain, since really no one knows what those programs do.


Any SOS algorithm that doesn't apply a good deal of indirect win analysis is not worth anything...it is just another ESPN Analyst without the $47 tie!
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Re: Oregon's Schedule

Postby Spence » Fri Oct 29, 2010 11:46 am

chooseaspy wrote:Massey has Michigan St. below both Boise and TCU by about 10-20 spots for SOS, while CCR has the opposite. The big secret may be how SOS is calculated, since that is really what makes a 10-2 record = 12-0 record ... by manipulating SOS modifiers, a computer (programmer) could effectively add or take away wins from a team, or group of teams. If one program only looked at opponents records, for example, Michigan St. would look pretty good...but, when you start looking at who those teams beat, it gets ugly, and even uglier when you see who those other teams beat...that's where creative SOS programs could really skew results, and no one would complain, since really no one knows what those programs do.


CCR doesn't follow BCS guidelines. It is why Mr. Congrove turned down being included in the BCS.
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Re: Oregon's Schedule

Postby silverfox » Fri Oct 29, 2010 7:35 pm

Spence wrote:
chooseaspy wrote:Massey has Michigan St. below both Boise and TCU by about 10-20 spots for SOS, while CCR has the opposite. The big secret may be how SOS is calculated, since that is really what makes a 10-2 record = 12-0 record ... by manipulating SOS modifiers, a computer (programmer) could effectively add or take away wins from a team, or group of teams. If one program only looked at opponents records, for example, Michigan St. would look pretty good...but, when you start looking at who those teams beat, it gets ugly, and even uglier when you see who those other teams beat...that's where creative SOS programs could really skew results, and no one would complain, since really no one knows what those programs do.


CCR doesn't follow BCS guidelines. It is why Mr. Congrove turned down being included in the BCS.


BCS uses subtle manipulations of the formula used to calculate and manipulate poll results to the advantage and benefit of it's own membership. You can bet those calculations stongly favor BCS members because, after all, this entire system is built around their entire (closed) membership. Any association, whether it be the boy scouts, the homebuilders, the rifle, etc. has its own rules and when activities involve others outside said group they always, always dictate preferences for their own. After all, why would members stay members if there isn't a benefit? That is why it is the way it is.

I bet Mr. Congrove's system is more "neutral" rather than slanted which would be why he would not follow BCS guidelines.

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Re: Oregon's Schedule

Postby Spence » Fri Oct 29, 2010 8:21 pm

I don't think the BCS member schools manipulate the BCS poll, but I am absolutely sure the poll voters do. There isn't one bit of consistency in their vote. The coaches poll is really bad and and Harris imitates the coaches.
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Re: Oregon's Schedule

Postby Derek » Fri Oct 29, 2010 10:47 pm

Spence wrote:I don't think the BCS member schools manipulate the BCS poll, but I am absolutely sure the poll voters do. There isn't one bit of consistency in their vote. The coaches poll is really bad and and Harris imitates the coaches.


Ditto. x10
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Re: Oregon's Schedule

Postby billybud » Sat Oct 30, 2010 8:55 pm

BCS uses subtle manipulations of the formula used to calculate and manipulate poll results to the advantage and benefit of it's own membership. You can bet those calculations stongly favor BCS members because, after all, this entire system is built around their entire (closed) membership. Any association, whether it be the boy scouts, the homebuilders, the rifle, etc. has its own rules and when activities involve others outside said group they always, always dictate preferences for their own. After all, why would members stay members if there isn't a benefit? That is why it is the way it is.


Sheer idiocy....the lunatic imaginings of a paranoid fan.

No one knows what the algorithmns do since they are proptietary.


Now! If I were a paranoid BCS fan...I'd wonder why, of all the undefeated top ranked teams, almost half are non BCS. And the correlation to the fact that they play such weak schedules. Just call me a lunatic...LOL.
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Re: Oregon's Schedule

Postby billybud » Sat Oct 30, 2010 9:09 pm

Gawd...But Oregon is such fun...I really want an Auburn-Oregon match...that would be a fun game.
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Re: Oregon's Schedule

Postby silverfox » Sat Oct 30, 2010 9:13 pm

billybud wrote:Gawd...But Oregon is such fun...I really want an Auburn-Oregon match...that would be a fun game.


They (Oregon) have also been known to throw a mean punch. :wink:
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Re: Oregon's Schedule

Postby Derek » Sat Oct 30, 2010 10:17 pm

billybud wrote:Gawd...But Oregon is such fun...I really want an Auburn-Oregon match...that would be a fun game.


I was not aware that the Oregon RB has as many rushing yards as he has.
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