CFP Bowl Pickem Standings

[Spence]

I really don't have a problem with changing during the bowl season before the games have been played. That said, to save me and everyone elso that would have to change the picks a lot of headaches we won't do any changes after the games start. Cane's change would have been easy, but if someone wanted to change confidence picks, that would be a mess. So that is the decision.

[BYUfan1]

It's not coulda, woulda, shoulda;

We have always played it that a change can be made up til game time so far ...

I believe the rule was that a change could be made up until game time for the first game. The first game is this case was BYU-UTEP. I believe that game is over, although I believe UTEP wishes the game never started.

If some players from Ohio State cannot play in the game, most people would want to change their pick. I would keep Arkansas but I certainly would want to increase my confidence rating.

[donovan]

Keep my money on Ohio State. Tressell will out coach Petrino. The latter is no Frank Boyles, or Holtz or even a Houton Nutt. Those guys had character.

[Spence]

I will stay too, but I always do even when the sky is falling.

[BYUfan1]

Keep my money on Ohio State. Tressell will out coach Petrino. The latter is no Frank Boyles, or Holtz or even a Houton Nutt. Those guys had character.

Next year, Petrino will have something that Holtz or Nutt never had at Arkansas-A national championship.

[Spence]

I think Arkansas is good enough right now to play for a championship. A few mistakes against a couple good teams kept them from going.

[Cane from the Bend]

As for your Ohio State Sugar Bowl info ...

Wednesday's news that Ohio State players were under investigation for exchanging autographs for free tattoos was good for a laugh, and for Vegas to nix the gambling lines on the Buckeyes' upcoming Sugar Bowl date with Arkansas. But tattoos and point spreads are the least of OSU's concerns today.

Five players – four of them starters, including mega-hyped 2008 classmates Terrelle Pryor, Mike Adams and DeVier Posey – will miss the first five games of next season for selling jerseys, rings and other memorabilia, putting them on ice for almost half the schedule and potentially sinking another run at the BCS Championship Game. Per the official NCAA release:

INDIANAPOLIS -- Five football student-athletes from The Ohio State University must sit out the first five games of the 2011 season for selling awards, gifts and university apparel and receiving improper benefits in 2009, the NCAA has determined.

A sixth football student-athlete must sit out the first game in 2011 for receiving discounted services in violation of NCAA rules. The violations fall under the NCAA’s preferential treatment bylaws.

In addition to missing five games next season, student-athletes Mike Adams, Dan Herron, DeVier Posey, Terrelle Pryor and Solomon Thomas must repay money and benefits ranging in value from $1,000 to $2,500. The repayments must be made to a charity.

The specific infractions cited by the NCAA:

• Adams must repay $1,000 for selling his 2008 Big Ten championship ring.
• Herron must repay $1,150 for selling his football jersey, pants and shoes for $1,000 and receiving discounted services worth $150.
• Posey must repay $1,250 for selling his 2008 Big Ten championship ring for $1,200 and receiving discounted services worth $50.
• Pryor must repay $2,500 for selling his 2008 Big Ten championship ring, a 2009 Fiesta Bowl sportsmanship award and his 2008 Gold Pants, a gift from the university.
• Solomon must repay $1,505 for selling his 2008 Big Ten championship ring for $1,000, his 2008 Gold Pants for $350 and receiving discounted services worth $155.
• Jordan Whiting must sit out the first game next year and pay $150 to a charity for the value of services that were discounted because of his status as a student-athlete.

Yes, Terrelle Pryor sold the miniature gold pants the university has handed out since 1934 for victories over Michigan, inducting recipients into the "Pants Club." Beating the Wolverines in Pryor's tenure may not be quite the accomplishment it used to be, but seriously, man, that may be the iciest move a Buckeye can make. For $2,500?

Note that the sextet will not miss the Sugar Bowl, because "the student-athletes did not receive adequate rules education during the time period the violations occurred" – even though the NCAA decided to dock a fifth game on top of the standard four-game suspension because the players "did not immediately disclose the violations when presented with the appropriate rules education." (There's a defense only George Costanza could love.)

The five games they'll be forced to miss next fall: Home dates with Akron and Toledo, followed by a trip to Miami and visits from Colorado and Michigan State to Columbus. They'll be back just in time to make the trip to Lincoln, Neb., for OSU's first clash with the Cornhuskers as a Big Ten rival.

[Spence]

Except me. If it weren't for the confidence points I would allow it, but I don't want to shuffle confidence points around and if I OK this I would have to do that. It boils down to me not wanting to deal with all the changes, sorry.

[Cane from the Bend]

Except me.

"That" is where the Most of that comment stops.

It would be similar to Miami having to suspend their entire first a second string from the Bowl against nd ... I don't care if we're triple point underdogs; I cannot pick against the `Canes ( especially if we're takin' on the leprechauns ).

[_^^_]

If it weren't for the confidence points I would allow it, but I don't want to shuffle confidence points around and if I OK this I would have to do that. It boils down to me not wanting to deal with all the changes, sorry.

Nothin' to be sorry for at the moment...

They are playing, and I am keeping my pick.

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[Spence]

They are playing. They are also very likely auditioning for the NFL during this game. I don't see any of them coming back having to miss almost half the season.

[Cane from the Bend]

Yea, I expect as much too ...

My only question on the suspensions, is how:

the sextet will not miss the Sugar Bowl, because "the student-athletes did not receive adequate rules education during the time period the violations occurred"

And yet; the rules education was still adequate for them to receive a 5 game suspension to start next season.

Seems a bit contradictory, in my opinion.

Then again, I'm not footin' the bill for the Sugar Bowl payout either.

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[Spence]

Yea, I expect as much too ...

My only question on the suspensions, is how:

the sextet will not miss the Sugar Bowl, because "the student-athletes did not receive adequate rules education during the time period the violations occurred"

And yet; the rules education was still adequate for them to receive a 5 game suspension to start next season.

Seems a bit contradictory, in my opinion.

Then again, I'm not footin' the bill for the Sugar Bowl payout either.


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I guess there was a big clarification after the AJ Green thing - according to the school. The NCAA told Ohio State not to suspend them for the Sugar. Ohio State did not ask for it to happen that way. That doesn't mean Ohio State should let them play.

[..fanatic]

My own 2 cents says we should never allow picks to change after the first game of the comptition has begun. If this were an automated contest, there would only be one shut-off time. We shouldn't allow changes just because we use humans to manage it. If anything, it's more of a pain and a nuisance to expect them to do so. I say this with no offense to Cane or anyone else who disagrees - I just think it's too much to ask and could easily become a free-for-all of constant changes.

[Spence]

My own 2 cents says we should never allow picks to change after the first game of the comptition has begun. If this were an automated contest, there would only be one shut-off time. We shouldn't allow changes just because we use humans to manage it. If anything, it's more of a pain and a nuisance to expect them to do so. I say this with no offense to Cane or anyone else who disagrees - I just think it's too much to ask and could easily become a free-for-all of constant changes.

That is the reason I didn't allow it.

...........But BYUfan1, I don't know if asking to change a pick is cheating. I changed one of my picks just hours before the first game. I got wind that Ohio U wasn't going to have either their starting QB or starting DT. It was before all games started, but it was the exact reason Cane wanted to change his pick. I don't consider what I did cheating and my information turned out to be only half right since Boo Jackson played. The reason I didn't allow it after the games had started is exactly what ..fanatic said, I didn't want a free-for-all of changes and I would have had to allow that if I changed one. This is just a fun contest and I want it to remain that way. If it were any more important than that neither I nor any of the other mods could participate and I like to compete.

[RazorHawk]

Again, allowing changes after the pool started could be a real mess. Also it would open for someone to change their original picks to the opposite of the leader, to try to make up ground.

The pools I run, I also do not allow for partial entries, for example if the majority of the games were on Saturday, but there were 4 weekday games. I have had people wanting to submit the 4 early games, and then the rest of their entry early on Saturday. This is way too difficult to keep track of. Nothing to do with cheating, but administration.