Boise State reality check

[billybud]

Well...mark me down as a guy who likes the old baseball score defensive battles.

In this day of spread formations, high power offenses and scoring duels, I like the game where two defenses are fighting and holding check to see which will break.

I love a great sack as well as a great pass, maybe more.

[donovan]

Well...mark me down as a guy who likes the old baseball score defensive battles.

In this day of spread formations, high power offenses and scoring duels, I like the game where two defenses are fighting and holding check to see which will break.

I love a great sack as well as a great pass, maybe more.

The last time you signed off with a straight line like that...we got censored......

Last night two teams played on an equal basis....was fun to watch. I will still maintain..there is nothing wrong with a tie. I think the tiredness of the players was evident. Everything in life does not need to be a death match.

[billybud]

I have always liked the tie...it is meaningful...the two teams fought it out and nobody won.

The forced win of overtime periods has the neat effect of flipping that binary switch to won or lost...but the end result doesn't as accurately describe the actual game.

Two teams fought it out for a ballgame and neither prevailed...there should be place for that..there was for most of my life.

[Eric]

College's overtime has some flaws. I say move it back to the 40 yard line and teams won't get an automatic 3 points every series.

[RazorHawk]

I liked the idea of overtime when the colleges started it, but now I don't think I would mind ties. I really think the NFL method, with one exception, allowing if the first team to possess the ball and scores, the other team would get 1 opportunity. I know opponents feel that might be too much football for one day, but I don't think it would be any more than the multiple overtime games now.

One of the announcers made a sensible comment that he felt that stats achieved in overtimes should not count. I definitely agree with that.

[billybud]

The sad thing is that the game becomes all or nothing...we demand that there be a winner and a loser, even when two teams fight to a tie.

The tie breaker fires one team up with a win and drops the other with a loss. Most folks looking at the record perceive that there is a real difference between these teams...and there usually isn't.

[Spence]

I don't like ties. I know some people think that is honorable to play your guts out for sixty minutes and have the outcome undecided. While it may be honorable, it settles nothing. People go home feeling cheated. The new president of Ohio State, G.Gordon Gee, was president back in the John Cooper era. He said of an Ohio State-Michigan tie one year "it was Ohio State's greatest victory over Michigan". Everyone just rolled their eyes. A tie is something you get when you can't win.

I don't know if I like all the overtimes. I think that teams should have to go for two on TD's from the beginning. I wouldn't mind them starting from the 40 or even 50. I don't think that overtime should be abolished, just changed so they don't go into multiple OTs so much.

[billybud]

The problem is that now wins and losses have become all important...so we force that issue. And a 5-1 team is very different from a 4-2 team.. Right?

I happen to think that it isn't right for a team to play their guts out heads up with another team and tie them through regulation, only to have the record show a loss while the other team has a win.

The game was fought for 60 minutes, they tied. OT's cheapen the meaning of the regular game.

[Spence]

That is why the need to win.

[billybud]

What is why? That overtimes cheapen the meaning of the regulation play as I stated?

Or are you jumping thoughts to "cheapen wins" and making a mental referral back to your previous post? I suspect as much.

[Spence]

Why does playing until someone wins cheapen the loss? Baseball games have never ended in a tie, someone has to win even if it takes 26 innings. A tie to me means both teams failed to win.

[billybud]

A game in baseball may be 1/50th of your season...not so in football where the loss counts so much more...I don't see the analogy.

[Spence]

A game in baseball may be 1/50th of your season...not so in football where the loss counts so much more...I don't see the analogy.

Exactly and they don't allow ties even though they would be basically meaningless. In football it is important because there are so few games.

[billybud]

A tie is just more accurate a description of the proceeding...the teams played a regulation game and tied...that's it.

No artificial winner based on non real game conditions...

[RazorHawk]

All right, let me step in the middle of this. I agree with Billy "Bobs" logic, however I don't really like ties either. Not really a fan of the current system though.