Boise State being snubbed by BCS

[Spence]

Granted we had a few unbeatens. The simple solution is play better. Go undefeated and run up the score. Boise scored a lot against Fresno in their finale, even then there was no guarantee. There will always be slights but, that keeps the fun arguements going. That's why golf is so good. Your own scoring speaks for itself assuming it's the same competition. Therein is the inequality. Can't compare fairly anyone's competition if it isn't equal. Oklahoma's non conference schedule was better than Texas's and that may be a small reason for their getting the conference bid/votes.

Me? I would have still given Boise a bid because I like to mix it up!!!!!!!!!!!!

I like your golf analogy. It would be akin to saying that you shooting 275 on a cow pasture in Texas for 72 holes, while Tiger woods was shooting 280 on the week at the US Open and you were claiming to be on his level. No way to know if that would be true, but all the information available would suggest your claim to be false.

But I would be Tiger Woods in my head.

[GoBoilers]

I like cow pastures! I AM NOT Tiger Woods. LOL

[winter_kills_stuff]

Oh barf winter boy...How many OOC BCS games is FSU scheduled for? Well, take the number that Boise is scheduled for and multiply that number by about six...

Boise knows they need to upschedule but chooses not to schedule the big boys...I don't cry for them come BCS bowl time.

You are making distinction based on what information?

OOC schedule, vs BCS (including N.D.):
1. ACC 15-8 .652.
2. MWC 9-5 .642
3. Big XII 8-8 .500
4. Big East 7-8 .466
5. Big Ten 6-7 .461
5. Pac Ten 6-7 .461
7. SEC 6-9 .400
8. WAC 5-12 .294
9. MAC 5-21 .192
10. C-USA 2-17 .105
11. Sun Belt 2-20 .091

Amended list, vs. BCS (winning season):
1. MWC 2-2 .500
2. ACC 5-6 .45
3. SEC 3-6 .33
4. Pac Ten 2-5 .29
5. Big XII 2-7 .22
6. Big East 1-4 .20
7. Big Ten 1-5 .17
8. WAC 2-11 .15
9. C-USA 2-12 .14
10. Sun Belt 1-12 .08
11. MAC 1-17 .06

[billybud]

LOL..another post from..wait for it...(in a deep announcer's voice) THE ALTERNATE UNIVERSE.

Just how many BCS teams with a winning record did MWC teams beat? Two? Soooo, two teams in the conference each had one win over a BCS team with a .500 or better record. Haul out the champagne and noise makers...that sure showed the BCS conferences...

The following teams had no win over a BCS team with a winning record.
BYU...zip
TCU...zip
Wyoming...zip
Colorado State...zip
Air Force...zip
UNLV...zip
San Diego State...zip

[billybud]

As of Monday...Maryland has sold 16 tickets to the Humanitarian Bowl and Nevada has sold 8....

scroll to last line in story..

http://www.2news.tv/news/35767489.html

[Eric]

I think that's what we forget sometimes. It is a two-way street, after all. Why should a team like Ohio State or Florida or LSU or USC risk getting a home-and-home series done with a team like Boise State? The major teams rarely want to get a fair deal done. They'd be glad to schedule Kent State or SMU from the FBS ranks, as long as they don't have a shot at losing the game. Boise State, Utah, and TCU are in a different class when it comes to this stuff. I don't think Oklahoma has a return trip to Fort Worth. Why should they leave the comfy confines of Norman to play TCU in a game where they have nothing to gain and everything to lose?

Bullfeathers! Eric...just plain BS.

If others can schedule. so can Boise. If BYU can schedule teams like FSU and Boston College, so can Boise. I downrate Boise because they have consciously avoided such scheduling...looking on Boise's calendar through 2015, the only BCS schools scheduled are Oregon and Oregon State.

Other schools have done much better..and if they can, Boise can..

Air Force...FSU, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Wake Forest, Cincinnati, Iowa State, Minnesota, Navy (most are home and homes)

Fresno State...Illinois, Wisconsin, Cincinnati, Ole Miss, Nebraska, Colorado (home and homes)

Wyoming...Texas, Colorado, Missouri, Nebraska (3X), and Oregon...home and homes except with Nebraska..1 home and 2 away (way to go Cowboys)

In the words of Ted Turner the other night........."You got me."

Still though, Air Force and Wyoming aren't Boise State or Utah. They can get these things done with mid-level BCS schools, but it's tough to get them done with teams like Florida and other from the SEC. Especially the SEC. I'm not going to pretend to have the information, but I'd expect that some teams have shied away from going to Boise State. Do you have any specific proof that Boise State hasn't made any attempts? I'm just asking because I don't know how public those things can be some times and I'm too lazy to do a ton of research.

And does Navy count? I know you're trying to use all of your ammunition, but seriously

[Dossenator]

Boise State and Arkansas played one another in 2001 and 2002. Arkansas would not travel to Boise...both games were played in Arkansas.

[Spence]

Boise State and Arkansas played one another in 2001 and 2002. Arkansas would not travel to Boise...both games were played in Arkansas.

That is probably the sticking point. Most schools who go for two away games are schools who need the money and can't sell out their stadiums. Boise State can sell out their stadium so they don't need to schedule two away games. Schools don't agree to that arrangement unless they need money. It has very little to do with who they play. If any top tier school would agree to a home and home with them they would probably take the games.

[billybud]

As a NNole..I have no sympathy...we played back to back games in Columbus, no return, two in Michigan's Big house, no return, two at Michigan State, nn return, two in Lincoln, no return, five in baton rouge, no return..etc.

If a school wants to take the main stage, they can do it...it's not without some sacrifice.

[billybud]

And FSU still is doing it...in 2007, and two other seasons since 2000, FSU has played six away games (and that's not neutral sites or CCGs)..

Contrast that with teams like Florida (who has been usually playing four away games)...or Michigan, Ohio state, etc...who have not played six away games.

FSU will come to your house more often than other major programs...

[Spence]

As a NNole..I have no sympathy...we played back to back games in Columbus, no return, two in Michigan's Big house, no return, two at Michigan State, nn return, two in Lincoln, no return, five in baton rouge, no return..etc.

If a school wants to take the main stage, they can do it...it's not without some sacrifice.

I agree. They have different priorities. Boise State doesn't have the state of Florida as their recruiting backyard so I am sure they work on different sets of strategies in terms of scheduling and position on the national stage. No question Florida State had the recruiting resources to become a consistent national power and they did what they needed to become just that. I don't think any school would schedule without a return game if they didn't have to do it. It all depends on what they want. Boise State wants to be on the national stage from time to time, Florida State wants to be there every year.

[billybud]

And thus Boise's scheduling strategy...don't play the big boys and risk a loss or two, and then hope for a perfect year and a BCS..and maybe, if the moon and stars are aligned..a shot at the NC

[Spence]

And thus Boise's scheduling strategy...don't play the big boys and risk a loss or two, and then hope for a perfect year and a BCS..and maybe, if the moon and stars are aligned..a shot at the NC

Yeah, and most likely BCS money. I don't hear them wanting the NCG. They think they got screwed in the BCS at large picks and I can't say I disagree with that. They are still going to San Diego and putting all their efforts in that direction. I don't hear them crying about it.

[billybud]

Schools don't cry about such things...their fans do. And they wail and knash their teeth in the wilderness and mutter bitter diatribes about BCS conspiracy....the schools are smarter, they talk to their delegation about how to legislate their way into the big money games, or at least bring forth enough of such threat to strong arm a concession or two.

[winter_kills_stuff]

LOL..another post from..wait for it...(in a deep announcer's voice) THE ALTERNATE UNIVERSE.

It sounds a little more like Joe Tessitore, to me. You can be him, if you want.

Just how many BCS teams with a winning record did MWC teams beat? Two? Soooo, two teams in the conference each had one win over a BCS team with a .500 or better record. Haul out the champagne and noise makers...that sure showed the BCS conferences...

5 by my count, which gives full credit to both teams involved.

Brigham Young beat a 1-0 UCLA football team, one week after a classic by ESPN's standards, beating them 27-24(OT).
Texas Christian beat a once-beaten Stanford team, pretty-soundly, but I credit Stanford for making a game of it, 31-14.
Arizona St was clearly superior, beating the Cardinal 41-17, at home. Which, coincidentally, is where UNLV won, 23-20 OT.
But, since I'm living in an alternate universe, I guess I'm allowed a few foibles. UNLV also beat Iowa St, at home, 34-31 OT.
That was 'sandwiched' between two competitive games, a loss to Iowa, away, and a loss to Kansas, at home. Didn't both of those teams qualify for bowl games? Two very respectable teams, that Iowa St took to the wire. Utah beat Oregon St.

The following teams had no win over a BCS team with a winning record.
BYU...zip
TCU...zip
Wyoming...zip
Colorado State...zip
Air Force...zip
UNLV...zip
San Diego State...zip

You're analysis is very slanted. Wins and losses should take into account both where, and when to be fair.
BYU scheduled two BCS opponents (Washington & UCLA), defeated both. Washington was close, UCLA wasn't.
TCU scheduled two, also, but won one, against Stanford, lost to Oklahoma 10-35, a game where Bradford & Co. went for record yardage, passing, but were stifled by a stingy TCU rushing defense. That's one BCS game the MWC lost by my count.
Wyoming scheduled one BCS opponent, and won it, beating Phillip Fulmer's team on their own turf, prior to his dismissal.
Colorado St scheduled two, lost both. They gave CU a game for two quarters. They lost to California 7-42, away. 0-2.
Air Force, to my knowledge, didn't schedule any. Neither did Florida St, outside of Florida, who beat them soundly. UNLV, as previously mentioned beat both their BCS opponents. SDSU lost to N. Dame, who finished 6-6. UNM went 1-1, also.