See ya, Canes...

[billybud]

LOL..The USC boards have had fans having coronaries over Paul Dee....

This can not bode well for the Canes...When USC had their athlete receive benefits, Dee as Chair of the Corrections Committee adamantly maintained that if they didn't know, they should have known....bowl ban..30 schollies.

Now that it turns out that the Canes were going at in a way that maked the USC stuff look ho hum, while Dee was AD, it would seem difficult not to hammer the program. "If they didn't know, they should have." Paul dee's words thrown back.

[Cane from the Bend]

I wouldn't be surprised with a forfeiture of wins over an entire 8 year span.

Also, no post season appearances over 2 or 3 years - the removal of the violators - and a mass of scholarship reductions - with a five year probationary period.

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[Cane from the Bend]

However, some of these coaches are out there on other teams now; as well as former Miami players.

It'll be interesting to see how those programs respond to this mess. ( Purdue is intent on playing Robert Marve )

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[billybud]

I wonder what Miami will do? Play all of their guys including Jacoby and say.."OK...you're going to vacate 'em anyway, let's go out with a bang and try and give our fans something to cheer for". Or, does Golden distance himself from the whole affair by sitting anyone mentioned by Shapiro.

[GoBoilers]

[quote="Cane from the Bend"]However, some of these coaches are out there on other teams now; as well as former Miami players.

It'll be interesting to see how those programs respond to this mess. ( Purdue is intent on playing Robert Marve )

.I am guessing Purdue will ask for a medical red shirt (6th year) as his ACL hasn't responded well. That would give both parties time to wait attitude.

[Cane from the Bend]

.I am guessing Purdue will ask for a medical red shirt (6th year) as his ACL hasn't responded well. That would give both parties time to wait attitude.

That would be the best way out for Purdue.

Marve isn't any cleaner than the rest, it would be foolish to play him before any NCAA ruling.

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I wonder what Miami will do? Play all of their guys including Jacoby and say.."OK...you're going to vacate 'em anyway, let's go out with a bang and try and give our fans something to cheer for". Or, does Golden distance himself from the whole affair by sitting anyone mentioned by Shapiro.

I have been wondering the same thing.

Golden has been practicing these guys, yet, one would assume you'd favor the players who are not implemented.

Golden also went on to say "you stand by the kids, and make sure this type of thing doesn't happen again".

Honestly, I'd sit them until there is a ruling. Not even let them dress.

You wanna support the team; fine, stand on the sideline and cheer us on.

Whatever he chooses, he has to be aware of the looming likelihood that he'll have to cut them free.

This is why I hate the way the NCAA handles these sort of investigations.
They needn't make a complete ruling on the matter; at present date ---
though they should at the very least inform the program whom they deem as ineligible.

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[donovan]

I suspect that if these were, in all these schools, academic violations, the students would have long been expelled, the teachers fired and the outsiders banned from campus. I don't think it would have taken some national collegiate academic association (NCAA II) to come in and investigate.

My prediction, when all is said and done, that will be circa 2021, the Little Sisters of the Poor will be National Champions for 2011.
Sisters of the Poor in Action.

[Cane from the Bend]

Alright, here is what I think should happen ( speaking on penalization ) :

a.) You have to separate the team from those who were involved; say goodbye to the kids that took improper benefits, and remove them from the roster.

b.) Forfeiture of all wins from 2002 up through 2010.

c.) All money made from Televised & Post Season Play, during those vacated seasons, the University should be fined by, paying out to the respective Conferences the school was Associated with during that period ( the Big East & ACC ).

d.) Those coaches who were involved and are still presently staff members of collegiate sports, need to lose their jobs, and be banned for life from participating in NCAA programs.

e.) Those coaches & administrative personnel employed by the University during the time of said infractions, should all be fined by the NCAA. Those coaches & administrative personnel who had consentient knowledge of those infractions as they occurred, should have to pay back their entire salary made during their time employed at the University.

f.) Reduction of Scholarships available to be offered; 40 over the next 4 years.

g.) Post Season competition exclusion; 3 times over the next 5 years.

h.) Five years of Probation.

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These are of-course my own individual suggestions; not those being discussed by anyone in control of things.

However, I feel (c.) (d.) (e.) would send a clear message of deterrent to other schools, if the Universities, Administration & Coaches are fined. And people are banned from further employment.

It reduces the penalties on current players & faculty who had zero involvement, targeting more heavily those whose responsibility it was to prevent these sorts of thing from taking place.

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Coincidentally; on this date "August 19th" in "1692 ", five people, including a clergyman, were executed after being convicted of witchcraft at the Salem Witch Trials.

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[donovan]

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Seems to me this would be a good solution.

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I think, under current law, that they would have to find a way to execute them without also violating their basic human rights.

[Cane from the Bend]

Coincidentally; on this date "August 19th" in "1692 ", five people, including a clergyman, were executed after being convicted of witchcraft at the Salem Witch Trials.

Seems to me this would be a good solution.

If you're suggesting that the witch in question is nevin shapiro I might be inclined to agree with you.

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[Vileborg]

The players who have been named are only the accused. There is no guarantee that a man who made his living bilking others out of millions would tell the truth. I would say the university should ask the NCAA to rule on their eligibility now. If the NCAA says they are eligible to play this season then let them play. If the NCAA then said "Sorry these guys were not eligible", just point them to notification saying they were eligible to play. To sit these guys on an unfounded accusation is bilking them out of millions of dollars.
My other reason for playing them is simple. If your going to forfeit nearly a decade of games and seasons what does another year matter. A year that wouldn't be worth a lick anyway. Would you rather go 0-11 or 11-0 and then forced to 0-11?

[donovan]

It's all a sham. OSU went 0 and 13 or 87 or something last year. Didn't seem to hurt them in the pres season rankings this year. No one cares about vacating wins. As for the boosters that "cheat." As far as I know, they have not broken any laws, they have done nothing criminal. How come the boosters do not cleanse their own mess. How come the schools are dilly dallying around with tough action. Sure, OSU can through Tressell under the bus and Gee and his cronies sleep well. I can tell from local news articles the University of Oregon Nike Ducks are quacking as loudly as ever, and they just had another player incident where, they are going to wait until all the facts are in, I suppose that will be Janurary 15, of this next year.

But the Congressional role model for our nation seems to work.

[RazorHawk]

The players who have been named are only the accused. There is no guarantee that a man who made his living bilking others out of millions would tell the truth. I would say the university should ask the NCAA to rule on their eligibility now. If the NCAA says they are eligible to play this season then let them play. If the NCAA then said "Sorry these guys were not eligible", just point them to notification saying they were eligible to play. To sit these guys on an unfounded accusation is bilking them out of millions of dollars.
My other reason for playing them is simple. If your going to forfeit nearly a decade of games and seasons what does another year matter. A year that wouldn't be worth a lick anyway. Would you rather go 0-11 or 11-0 and then forced to 0-11?

I was kind of thinking the same thing. Until they are proven guilty, I don't think there should be any action taken. And vacating wins is a meaningless penalty.

[Derek]

Shalalaaa....got me on my knees...Shalalaaaa...I'm beggin darlin please...