BCS Rankings: TCU leaps Boise

[Spence]

But do you believe that Arkansas should jump Auburn or Alabama if one or the other doesn't lose again?

[donovan]

Direct analysis of payer positions = `09 - 10

Boise State Starting Line up `09:

Offense
QB Kellen Moore ( Soph )
RB Jeremy Avery ( Jr )
WR Tyler Shoemaker ( Soph )
WR Austin Pettis ( Jr )
WR Titus Young ( Jr )
TE Kyle Efaw ( Soph )
C Thomas Byrd ( Soph )
RG Kevin Sapien ( Jr )
LG Garrett Pendergast ( Soph )
RT Nate Potter ( Soph )
LT Matt Slater ( Jr )

Special Teams
K/P Kyle Brotzman ( Jr )

Defense
DE Ryan Winterswyk ( Jr )
DE Byron Hout ( Soph )
DT Billy Winn ( Soph )
DT Chase Baker ( Soph )
SLB Aaron Tevis ( Soph )
MLB Derrell Acrey ( Jr )
WLB Hunter White ( Soph )
CB Kyle Wilson ( Sr )
CB Brandyn Thompson ( Jr )
SS Jeron Johnson ( Jr )
FS George Iloka ( Soph )



Boise State Starting Line up 2010:


Offense
QB Kellen Moore ( Jr )
RB Jeremy Avery ( Sr )
WR Tyler Shoemaker ( Jr )
WR Austin Pettis ( Sr )
WR Titus Young ( Sr )
TE Kyle Efaw ( Jr )
C Thomas Byrd ( Jr )
RG Will Lawrence ( Sr )
LG Nater Potter ( Jr ) ( as noted: Potter & Pendergast switched positions )
RT Garrett Pendergast ( Jr )
LT Charles Leno ( rFresh ) ( Matt Slater ( Sr ) is now listed as 2cnd strng )

Special Teams
K/P Kyle Brotzman ( Sr )

Defense
DE Ryan Winterswyk ( Sr )
DE Shea McClellin ( Jr )
DT Billy Winn ( Jr )
NT Chase Baker ( Jr )
WLB Aaron Tevis ( Jr ) ( Hunter White ( Jr ) is now listed as 3rd strng )
MLB Daron Mackey ( Sr ) ( Derrell Acrey ( Jr ) listed 2cnd strng , Hunter White ( Jr ) listed 3rd
NB Winston Venable ( Sr )
CB Jamar Taylor ( Soph )
CB Brandyn Thompson ( Sr )
SS Jeron Johnson ( Sr )
FS George Iloka ( Jr )

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TCU Starting Line up `09:


Offense
QB Andy Dalton ( Jr )
RB Joseph Turner ( Sr )
WR Antoine Hicks ( Soph )
WR Jimmy Young ( Jr )
WR Bart Johnson ( Jr )
TE Evan Frosch ( Jr )
C Jake Kirkpatrick ( Jr )
RG Zach Roth ( Jr )
LG Kyle Dooley ( Soph )
RT Marcus Cannon ( Jr )
LT Marshall Newhouse ( Sr )

Special Teams
K Ross Evans ( Soph )
P Anson Kelton ( Soph )

Defense
DE Braylon Broughton ( Soph )
DE Jerry Hughes ( Sr )
DT Wayne Daniels ( Jr )
NT Kelly Griffin ( Jr )
SLB Daryl Washington ( Sr )
MLB Tanner Brock ( Fresh )
CB Rafael Priest ( Sr )
CB Nick Sanders ( Sr )
SS Marcus Jackson ( Sr )
WS Malcolm Williams ( Jr )
FS Tejay Johnson ( Jr )


TCU Starting Line up 2010:


Offense
QB Andy Dalton ( Sr )
RB Matthew Tucker ( Soph )
WR Antoine Hicks ( Jr )
WR Jimmy Young ( Sr )
WR Jeremy Kerley ( Sr ) ( Bart Johnson ( Sr ) is now listed as 2cnd strng )
TE Evan Frosch ( Sr )
C Jake Kirkpatrick ( Sr )
RG Josh Vernon ( Sr )
LG Kyle Dooley ( Jr )
RT John Woolridge (rFresh )
LT Marcus Cannon ( Sr ) ( previous RG Zach Roth ( Sr ) is listed as 2cnd strng )

Special Teams
K Ross Evans ( Jr )
P Anson Kelton ( Jr )

Defense
DE Braylon Broughton ( Jr )
DE Wayne Daniels ( Sr ) ( moved from DT )
DT Cory Grant ( Sr )
NT Kelly Griffin ( Sr )
SLB Tanner Brock ( Soph ) ( moved from Middle Line Backer )
MLB Tank Carder ( Jr )
CB Greg McCoy ( Jr )
CB Jason Teague ( Sr ) ( previous WS Malcolm Williams ( Sr ) listed as 2cnd strng )
SS Tyler Luttrell ( Sr )
WS Alex Ibiloye ( Sr )
FS Tejay Johnson ( Sr )


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It would seem that TCU had the most change over, with new defensive players.


However, in contrast;

The last team to beat TCU was Boise State ... 2009 season Fiesta Bowl
The last team to beat Boise State was TCU ... 2008 season Poinsettia Bowl

Also to note: if more games played can be a contributing factor, as mention in above replies, then a glance at Boise States schedule shows that Boise's 14 - 0 record saw them winning 13 regular season games last year, whereas Boise State plays 12 regular season games this year.

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You may draw on your own conclusions from this information , as, I seem to have to post that I am just relaying these facts, and do not denote any personal opinion from them.

If I do not type that previous line, a few sensitive members unjustifiably assume I am insinuating something I have not included.

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What earthly conclusion can you draw from this? Two teams...both undefeated until the moment of truth....is change good or bad....it is irrelevant in this case..that is my conclusion.....and I would be interested in your indictment of "sensitive posters"....I will give trade your for mine of the paranoid posters.

[Spence]

The point is that both teams are basically the same team from last year. I'm the one that started this.

[billybud]

Which means nothing.

In the same year with the same teams, one game apart (last game of season and bowl), FSU beat Florida and lost to Florida.....in the same year, one game apart, FSU tied Florida and beat Florida...

[RazorHawk]

But do you believe that Arkansas should jump Auburn or Alabama if one or the other doesn't lose again?

No way. Lost to both and unless they had 3 losses, the Hogs should not jump them. Not that it matters as I think the Capital One or Outback is the best the Hogs can attain with a 10-2 record. I really think a 9-3 finish is more realistic for Arkansas. Probably the only way Arkansas would ever have a chance at a BCS title game, would be to leave the SEC, which I hope they never do.

[Spence]

That is how I feel about Ohio State and Wisconsin. Ohio State was throttled. You can't jump them unless they lose and you do not.

[silverfox]

Well...the computers, just like us folks, saw Baylor beat Texas. The computers, like us folks, said "hmmm".

Lord Help in this place of conspricy theories!!!! Roswell, the grassy knoll, the computers helping G.W. twice!!! What happens if the WARRIORS beat the Broncos on the blue turf on saturday? Does that automatically jump us from nowhere to somewhere in the top 25 all the sudden? If so where? As far as computers go I get all giddy when I get something right on this one!!! I'll stop now and let ya'll sort it out.

It could happen. Hawaii is a very good team this year and leads the nation in the air. Boise's secondary has been sketchy, at best. While their Defense is outstanding and NCAA-rated, it will be a major test to try to contain Hawaii's air game.

The more I think about it the more I believe the BCS computers have factored in all wins to date which would explain a leapfrog. TCU has two more wins than Boise State. But by season end the games will be even and Boise State's conference opponents are stronger between now and than than TCU's (with a big question mark ? about Utah).

I also think Alabama and Arkansas were maligned by the computers in this last BCS poll.

According to ESPN today Ark is #1 in passing offense in the nation with 360.4 yards passing a game. I agree TCU should not have jumped Boise, and I think Ark will move up the BCS polls if they continue to win (3 ranked teams left out of 4 games).

What I based my note upon about Hawaii being the Passing leader: http://espn.go.com/college-football/sta ... at/passing

On the other hand, the highest quarterback rating in the land is #33 Boise State at 188.1 on those same charts. QB has only been sacked 4 times and intercepted 2 times all season.

[Dossenator]

But do you believe that Arkansas should jump Auburn or Alabama if one or the other doesn't lose again?

No they should not. I did not say they would...I was just saying that Arkansas has 3 games left on the scheduled against BCS ranked opponents...if they win all of them they will climb in the BCS rankings (but should not jump Auburn or Bama unless those teams lose a couple of games from here on out). Ark could finish in the BCS top 10 or 12 if they win out.

[Cane from the Bend]

What earthly conclusion can you draw from this? Two teams...both undefeated until the moment of truth....is change good or bad....it is irrelevant in this case..that is my conclusion.....and I would be interested in your indictment of "sensitive posters"....I will give trade your for mine of the paranoid posters.

Apparently, even in disclaimer my post is seen as an attempt to derive some sort of depreciation.

Let me go on record a second time...

This is not an opinion, it is factual information.

Why is it relayed?

As a response to previous postings from two other members who were discussing this very topic... and now the information they were discussing is listed here within as a way for any others interested, or otherwise curious by that topic, or conversation angle, to draw what they may from such information ... as they may have been conversing without the actual line up to draw such analysis from.

I would not point to anyone in particular; though, Spence has already stepped up and accepted half the responsibility for that debate... maybe you didn't read that portion of this thread.


"Sensitive Posters" , such as those who take an immediate offensive stand point whenever they see the words Boise St appear in a thread, assuming by some allegiance to take personal insult in, while jumping to speculative conclusion of an attack on said school name, when reading into a statement, words which are not typed within, nor insinuated, neither suggestive or otherwise, yet taken to mean so, out of context ...

... which seems to happen quite often around here, lately.

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Reminds me of a member whose name I haven't seen in a while that spoke of the Pac-10 in much the same way, posting things to the extent of, "If you're not with us, you're against us" ...

Though, some of the more modern sensitivities do not quite go necessarily to that extreme, with words ... the sentiment is virtually the same; just stated more eloquently.

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If one reads into everything one encounters about a subject, before evaluating what is actually being written, then, discussion never takes place. Because one's conclusion has already been drawn, with or without an exchange.

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[donovan]

Listing rosters is certainly facts. What conclusion do you draw? You must have some implication. I just don't see what you are trying to prove. FYI I have Boise State ranked ranked number 6 in my poll.

[Spence]

I don't vote in the poll. We weren't commenting on the users poll, though. We were commenting on the national polls. I don't think that TCU should have jumped Boise State. Head to head Boise State won recently. Boise State has the best win between the two = Virginia Tech. TCU will play Utah and if they win that would be a higher ranked team now, but I would bet Virginia Tech is going to end up ranked higher than Utah.

[donovan]

I'll refrain from irrelevant comments, maybe. I thought we censored Boise State comments....unless it is the privileged...

Always hotter in the summer than the city.

[Spence]

We just censor language. As long as I am hear we won't censor discussion on any team. Individual members are free to self censor any thread.

[silverfox]

BOISE STATE!

ok I said it ... LOL ...

[Eric]

BOISE STATE!

ok I said it ... LOL ...

It's okay really . I was the one who authored this post, so even I am not immune to beating the dead horse