OSU could vacate wins

[billybud]

LOL !

Some Michigan folks have to be behind this...

[Spence]

His 12 emails and phone calls to Pryor's rep weren't about arranging a birthday party.

Nothing in the emails had Tressel encouraging anyone to hide anything. He was trying to get their activity stopped. Tressel did not do what a coach is bound to do by the NCAA - turn over the information he had on players breaking the rules. He is 100% guilty of that- a major violation. That is the only thing the school and the NCAA found. Anything else is speculation.

Exactly!!!

"HE WAS TRYING TO GET THE ACTIVITY STOPPED"...as you posted.

Why? Because he knew it was a violation. He was covering, covering, hoping it would stop and not be discovered. He didn;t report it, he did try to stop it. He did attempt to cover it up.

. Sorry for the late reply. I have been in Florida and I only have had access to my phone wifi (and I hate to do much more than check my email from my phone). Anyway, the only thing that Tressel did that could be seen as trying to cover anything up was signing the compliance form with knowledge of a violation. It is a stretch trying to say he covered it up or tried to cover it up. Like saying a guy who witnesses a crime, but doesn't say anything is covering it up. What he did was worse enough. He knew what his players did was an NCAA violation and he knew what to do with that information. He didn't do it and he will suffer whatever fate the NCAA decides to hand down to him. He will also have to live with the hit to his reputation because caused the hit by doing what he did. If he loses his job over this, it will be his fault.

The only thing that bothers me about him losing his job is he has been very active in working to raise money to the disease that afflicts my oldest daughter. I said it before, but as a coach I have never been his biggest fan, but I Admire his off the field work and dedication to working for a cure to a disease that not many care to cure - type 1 diabetes (there just aren't enough kids that have it for people to care).

That doesn't change anything about what he did or make it any less wrong, but there is so much more read into this that actually happened.

[billybud]

A guy whose players committed an infraction while the guy knew about it....yet didn't tell his bosses while at the same time contacting folks to stop it and keep it hushed, while signing a form denying knowledge, standing mutely by while letting his boss stand before the nation and say that the school had no prior knowledge, blah, blah.

Jeppers! I want a literalist like you on my jury. The guy absolutely did everything in his power to keep this under the rug so his players could play.

[Spence]

A guy whose players committed an infraction while the guy knew about it....yet didn't tell his bosses while at the same time contacting folks to stop it and keep it hushed, while signing a form denying knowledge, standing mutely by while letting his boss stand before the nation and say that the school had no prior knowledge, blah, blah.

Jeppers! I want a literalist like you on my jury. The guy absolutely did everything in his power to keep this under the rug so his players could play.

He never directed them to keep it hushed. He never raised a hand to bring it out in the open either. He committed the cardinal sin in the eyes of the NCAA, he lied. That is the worse thing any coach can do according to the NCAA because they can not function in an environment of lies. He will end up losing his job over it. I, though, get a little tired of hearing how he "broke the law" "paid players" and a ton of other things when what he did was was read an email from a guy who said that his players were cheating and tried to act like he never read the email. Name me on coach who has blown in his players, since the inception of the NCAA. I'm willing to bet that he isn't the first to find out about something like this. I'm not defending him. He is guilty. I actually think his boss, Gene Smith, is more guilty - but that will never come out. Anyway, no need to make up things about what he did because he committed the worst act possible in the eyes of the NCAA. Nothing else matters.

[Spence]

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/ohio-state-buckeyes-jim-tressel-should-go-down-fighting-for-NCAA-change-042611

[billybud]

I don't buy this columnist...

You have to have some rules...if not, just let the SEC boys line up at cash auctions for their athletes. They can and will buy great teams. A #1 QB could go for millions while he is still in high school. Ohio State and Michigan likewise...wherever the boosters pony up..buy a team. Won't have to hide the car transactions, etc. But at least the NFL has a draft.

[Spence]

He isnt saying forget the rules, he is saying scrap the rules and start over. I think you need rules, but coaches shouldn't have to live in bubbles. They should have to turn their heads when they think something wrong is taking place. That is what he is saying. Players sell their own stuff and they are crucified for it. The rules need adjusted.

[Vileborg]

College is an educational institution. If you want to have a paid minor league football then I say lets start up a minor league football system with local teams, divisions, and playoffs. Let's not taint the institution of higher learning by encouraging corruption.

I'm of the opinion that all of this is small spuds. However, usually if a potato is rotten on the surface it has quite a bit of other rot hidden inside and I fear it's only a question of how much they decide to investigate this particular potato. Ohio St.'s compliance office is looking into dealings with a local dealership who may have been giving special deals to players and family members. Pryor's name came up again as receiving benefits not available to other students from the dealership.

[Spence]

College is an educational institution. If you want to have a paid minor league football then I say lets start up a minor league football system with local teams, divisions, and playoffs. Let's not taint the institution of higher learning by encouraging corruption.

I'm of the opinion that all of this is small spuds. However, usually if a potato is rotten on the surface it has quite a bit of other rot hidden inside and I fear it's only a question of how much they decide to investigate this particular potato. Ohio St.'s compliance office is looking into dealings with a local dealership who may have been giving special deals to players and family members. Pryor's name came up again as receiving benefits not available to other students from the dealership.

There could be something to the dealership thing. I have heard about this for twenty years. It has been investigated by the NCAA and OSU compliance and nothing has ever come from it, but it keeps coming up. It wouldn't surprise me if this has legs.

[GoBoilers]

He isnt saying forget the rules, he is saying scrap the rules and start over. I think you need rules, but coaches shouldn't have to live in bubbles. They should have to turn their heads when they think something wrong is taking place. That is what he is saying. Players sell their own stuff and they are crucified for it. The rules need adjusted.

Nope. The NCAA needs to be re-done.

[Spence]

He isnt saying forget the rules, he is saying scrap the rules and start over. I think you need rules, but coaches shouldn't have to live in bubbles. They should have to turn their heads when they think something wrong is taking place. That is what he is saying. Players sell their own stuff and they are crucified for it. The rules need adjusted.

Nope. The NCAA needs to be re-done.

That is my point too. Some of the things they are doing are crazy. The thing with Boise State is stupid. Tressel should be punished. What he did should always be against the rules, but that isn't to say that the offense that started all of this is really stupid as well.

[Vileborg]

I'm not a fan of the NCAA but after reading through a good portion of the rule book I'm less inclined to throw them under the bus. 95% of the rulebook was in the interest and safety of the players. The other 5% is about prohibiting special treatment of student athletes over academic students which is drawn out too far imo.

[donovan]

I'm not a fan of the NCAA but after reading through a good portion of the rule book I'm less inclined to throw them under the bus. 95% of the rulebook was in the interest and safety of the players. The other 5% is about prohibiting special treatment of student athletes over academic students which is drawn out too far imo.

Like the constitution of the United States, it is not what is written, it is the usurpation of power and authority, the moral superiority, the pompous nature and egomaniac behavior of those in charge. "Absolute power corrupts absolutely."

[billybud]

Spoken like a true militia man.

Spoken like a son of Idaho, not one born of the left coast.

[Vileborg]

We had a Bike Festival in Virginia Beach. I went down on Sunday and checked it out. All kinds of nice motorcycles. It was a good day and I had a good time. I was checking out a Va Biker website and on Saturday the police were holding Motorcycle Checkpoints in the name of "Safety".

If you don't know the Biker world is in a heated battle to get states to outlaw Motorcycle only checkpoints. There are a few states that are currently doing it and a few states that have outlawed the profiling.

The checkpoint on Saturday was stopping every biker and checking their equipment. People were getting tickets for not having a "Department of Transportation" sticker on their helmet which isn't required in Virginia. They were getting tickets for handle bars that were raised too high which was repealed in 2003. Vertical license plates which is not against the law in VA. On top of that they were forcing people who didn't have a D.O.T. sticker helmet to go back to the bike fest and get one before they could leave. The D.O.T. sticker means a helmet has been made to the standards issued by the Dept of Transportation but our helmet law doesn't state it has to be D.O.T. approved.

McGrath's is trying to round people up who were given these bad tickets before they e-pay them. McGraths is a big time bikers rights lawyer.

So you know, trust in the higher power to do the right thing if you want but it is our civic duty to ensure they are doing it properly.