Week 13 Chronicling

[Dossenator]

http://www.foxsports.com/college-footba ... ine-091714

Winston thinks he is bullet proof, and apparently he is. I don't know the kid personally but his actions speak loudly (damaging property, stealing soda, stealing crab legs, yelling obscenities in public, accused of rape/sexual assault, etc). This is not a kid being a kid. Many of these actions are criminal activities and one a very serious accusation. He gets ton of attention because he is last years Heisman winner on a team that has won 27 straight, and he gets bad press because he does bad things and makes bad decisions. These smallest things are magnified because he has a history of doing bad things.

Brett Bielema may not win at Arkansas on the level Florida State is but he does not put up with kids breaking the law and not following rules. Korliss Marshall (Arkansas running back and return man) was suspended 3 games for failed drug test a month ago. Bielema said the kid would have one chance to make it back to the team if he did all the right things. He did all the right things and made it back for the LSU game. That lasted 1 game. He did not play vs Ole Miss and Bielema said Marshall is gone. At some point character and simply doing the right thing needs to be more important than winning. Someone else will take Marshall and have a stud running back/return guy. We all know that character does not matter to most when dealing with sports. If you are winning then you are making money. And money controls everything.

[Spence]

guns? More like "gums".

We are two geriatric gentlemen with a long standing back and forth relationship....it keeps me mentally sharp and Donovan perpetually cantankerous.

It is a beautiful thing...

Yes, it is.

[donovan]

guns? More like "gums".

We are two geriatric gentlemen with a long standing back and forth relationship....it keeps me mentally sharp and Donovan perpetually cantankerous.

It is a beautiful thing...

Only because most of what I do has no social redeeming value will I apply additional Polident and continue the polemic absurdity.

The fact the Mr. Billybud misrepresents my position in not new in our discussions, so just to reiterate my position:

1. This was one play, it was not representative of anything more. The fact it involved an individual that has received much acclaim and an equal amount of acrimonious attention, is irrelevant.

2. On the play in question, Winston shoved, pushed, touched or purposely came in contact with the official.

3. The condition of the touch is inconsequential. You touch the official and that is some sort of penalty.

The End.

PS....If your purpose is to be a pot stirrer and whine about the fact there are those that are envious of your team and wish you poorly, therefore you with the broad brush of generalization include everyone who breathes Winston's name as a FSU "hater." then that is your prerogative, albeit sophomoric.

And yes...I would like to see Oregon v FSU in the final, for reasons not even close to those stated.

Now, time to change the depends, drink some Ensure and take my Metamucil.

[Spence]

There is the Donovan we all know and love.

As far as that play - I believe if the ref thought Winston overstepped he would have thrown the flag. The fact that he didn't makes me believe that the ref thought he was in the wrong position and Winston was just trying to get the play off. If the ref doesn't throw the flag, then I consider it a non issue. If the ref had thrown the flag, I would feel differently.

I do think that Winston is on a dangerous path and I hope at some point he gets some solid advice on straightening out the non football part of his life.

[billybud]

Yeah....Winston shoved a ref, stole some crab legs, yelled out a college meme..yadda yadda...a monster.

And the ref thing is no big deal.....refs get shoved every time they try to sort a pile...

I am through here for a while...when it stops being fun..it stops being fun.

[Spence]

I never said the ref thing was a big deal. Like I said, if the ref involved doesn't throw a flag, I don't think it's an issue. I absolutely believe Florida State deserves their spot in the playoff. I think they are the best team in the country. I think their body of work shows that. Not just from this year.

[donovan]

Mr. Billybud....maybe we should make another sequel to "Grumpy Old Men."

[Cane from the Bend]

I really haven't heard about this story having any legs. I don't know where you think the hate is coming from. It was in any paper I have read from Sunday to now. I've heard nothing from talk radio. Nothing good or bad.

Outside of the local news here in South Bend, where it was mentioned 3 times, there were several other sources reporting on this topic.

By Tyler Brooke , Featured Columnis
Florida State's Jameis Winston Pushes Referee Away vs. BC, Doesn't Get Flagged

Florida State quarterback Jameis Winston has no time for referees trying to get set.

During Saturday's game against the Boston College Eagles, Winston was trying to get under center, but a referee was in the way. Winston pushed the official out of the way and was somehow not penalized for doing so.

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Mike Pereira from FOX Sports believed that Winston should have been ejected from the game, saying:
Contact with an official can clearly lead to an ejection. Webster was doing his job, which was to hold the snap until the referee cleared him in this situation. Winston clearly pushes him out of the way so he can get the snap off.
That's a foul, folks.

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By Brett McMurphy
ACC won't penalize Jameis Winston

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There a plethora of others, with a bunch of links I could post, though, with only one link allowed per post, I do not want to repetitively flood this thread with redundant replies simply to post link after link.

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And the ref thing is no big deal.....refs get shoved every time they try to sort a pile...

You know, this was the thought that I had too ... how many times do you see an official get pushed back by a player who is trying to go back into a pile for the football, or pull the other team's players out of it.

Guess we Florida style football people have a different perspective than do people in the liberal west.

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I am through here for a while...when it stops being fun..it stops being fun.

O' come on now --- You are gonna let Donovan's garble gook ruin your fun?!

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[donovan]

Guess we Florida style football people have a different perspective than do people in the liberal west.

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Florida Style Football....I would like to hear more about that...At least it is an admission.

[Spence]

I didn't write that. I'm more of an Ohio style football kind of guy. Slow and plodding.

[Cane from the Bend]

Guess we Florida style football people have a different perspective than do people in the liberal west.

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Florida Style Football....I would like to hear more about that...At least it is an admission.

Sure, it's the difference between, crotchety & recluse.

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[donovan]

My editing apologies to Spence.

I do not apologize for the West being liberal, I apologize for the West being wrong!

Difference between the Coasts...when the West Coast commits a rule violation, the flag is thrown.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/ucla/la-sp-ucla-football-20141028-story.html

[Spence]

My editing apologies to Spence.

I do not apologize for the West being liberal, I apologize for the West being wrong!

Difference between the Coasts...when the West Coast commits a rule violation, the flag is thrown.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/ucla/la-sp-ucla-football-20141028-story.html

Not sure you need to apologize for the west cost being liberal. You seem to be an independent thinker - of which the world needs more.

[Cane from the Bend]

Oh, Donovan --- You should know me by now ---

Your posting an article that shows half of the information.

But, what would it look like when we put the full statistic under that microscope >

FBS Teams Rank by Penalties Called Against Them -- Number of times Penalized
As of November 26th, 2014:

#1 Baylor -- 101
#1 Texas Tech -- 101
#3 California -- 100
#3 Oregon State -- 100
#5 Marshall -- 98
#6 USC -- 97
#7 Miami (OH) -- 95
#7 Akron -- 95
#9 Bowling Green -- 94
#9 BYU -- 94
#11 Utah State -- 92
#12 Missouri -- 87
#13 Virginia Tech -- 86
#13 Oregon -- 86
#15 UCLA -- 85
#15 North Carolina -- 85
#15 Washington State -- 85
#15 Arkansas State -- 85
#15 Tulane -- 85
#20 East Carolina (ECU) -- 84
#20 Washington -- 84
#20 Florida International (FIU) -- 84
#23 Colorado -- 82
#23 Texas San Antonio (UTSA) -- 82
#25 Appalachian State -- 81
#25 Miami (FL) -- 81
#27 Louisville -- 80
#28 Syracuse -- 78
#29 UNLV -- 77
#30 Auburn -- 76
#31 Southern Miss -- 75
#32 Tulsa -- 73
#32 West Virginia -- 73
#32 Kansas -- 73
#35 Boise State -- 72
#35 Indiana -- 72
#35 Ohio -- 72
#35 Pittsburgh -- 72
#35 Middle Tennessee -- 72
#40 South Alabama -- 71
#40 San Diego State -- 71
#40 Memphis -- 71
#43 South Florida (USF) -- 70
#43 Hawaii -- 70
#43 Texas State -- 70
#43 Northern Illinois -- 70
#43 Troy -- 70
#48 Arizona -- 69
#48 Texas -- 69
#48 Virginia -- 69
#51 Florida State -- 68
#51 Massachusetts (UMass) -- 68
#51 Michigan State -- 68
#54 UAB -- 67
#54 Temple -- 67
#54 Houston -- 67
#54 Eastern Michigan -- 67
#58 Stanford -- 66
#58 Vanderbilt -- 66
#58 TCU -- 66
#58 Toledo -- 66
#62 Florida -- 64
#62 Utah -- 64
#62 Illinois -- 64
#65 Colorado State -- 63
#65 Western Kentucky -- 63
#65 Nebraska -- 63
#65 Oklahoma State -- 63
#65 South Carolina -- 63
#70 Idaho -- 62
#70 Kentucky -- 62
#70 Maryland -- 62
#70 Central Florida (UCF) -- 62
#70 Central Michigan -- 62
#75 Mississippi (Ole Miss) -- 61
#75 Ohio State -- 61
#75 Penn State -- 61
#75 Georgia State -- 61
#75 Nevada -- 61
#80 Connecticut -- 60
#80 LSU -- 60
#80 Rice -- 60
#80 Alabama -- 60
#80 SMU -- 60
#85 Georgia -- 59
#85 Oklahoma -- 59
#85 Kent State -- 59
#88 Georgia Tech -- 58
#88 Northwestern -- 58
#88 North Texas -- 58
#88 Mississippi State -- 58
#92 Duke -- 57
#92 Wake Forest -- 57
#92 Texas A&M -- 57
#92 Louisiana-Lafayette -- 57
#92 Wyoming -- 57
#97 Minnesota -- 56
#97 Louisiana Tech -- 56
#97 Western Michigan -- 56
#100 Arkansas -- 54
#100 Purdue -- 54
#100 Texas El Paso (UTEP) -- 54
#103 Arizona State -- 53
#103 Notre Dame -- 53
#103 Buffalo -- 53
#106 Wisconsin -- 52
#107 North Carolina State -- 51
#107 Rutgers -- 51
#107 Georgia Southern -- 51
#110 San Jose State -- 49
#110 Louisiana-Monroe -- 49
#112 New Mexico -- 48
#112 Cincinnati -- 48
#114 New Mexico State -- 47
#114 Army -- 47
#114 Ball State -- 47
#117 Iowa State -- 45
#117 Boston College -- 45
#117 Fresno State -- 45
#120 Clemson -- 44
#120 Florida Atlantic -- 44
#120 Tennessee -- 44
#123 Air Force -- 42
#123 Kansas State -- 42

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[donovan]

And when I saw a similar list, I choose not to post it because, I was interested in conferences as whole not individual teams......bias

With that in mind, here is my take. Rules are way to complicated and change too often for any official to be absolutely objective. Holding could be called on 90% of plays and pass interference on some high number. Even replay after five minutes can not be sure. And yet we scrutinize officials days later. Some sports, less complicated than football, baseball for example, the umpires can be more objective. They make a good call or they blow it. Calls are always made in the vicinity of the baseball, so the umps focus is fairly narrow.

The question is, are some conferences more strict, or flag prone, than others? I don't know. Individual teams it could be the team or the refs. I would think on individual teams it is mostly the team. Different officials do not indicate a real common denominator.

I do believe, that officiating in football has taken away a lot of viewer excitement. Make a call, get on with the game. I personally am good with the call, some good, some bad. As Spence has advocated...train them better, quit making it a part time job, let them do the best they can and snap the ball.