College or Pro basketball

[Eric]

Oh, certainly college basketball! The NBA is pretty bad. I used to be somewhat able to watch the playoffs, but now I can't watch another team without yawning besides the Pistons. Excitement is really lacking. I guess it might be because they are too "mistake-free" in their game play? With college, the FG % is lower, so there is actually hope that a player might miss a basket.

[RedRaider]

College Football-College Basketball

Pro does not appeal to me for any sport.

[Howdy]

Pro ball is too much like a machine.

I really do not get into the spirt till about Jan after all the bowl games,then it only big 12 teams.

When March Madness comes then I try my picks.

Notices. I said try.

[Swamp Daddy]

hi all: nothing is more boring to me than most pro games; basket ball more boring than football. But I don't watch either more than long enough to flip channel.

in college sports ya never know what will happen and I like the runs in basketball and, in football, the exciting plays are so much fun.

Swamp Daddy

[Eric]

I don't know if it would be the same. George Mason can make a run in the tournament, but could say, Houston (C-USA champs, one of the lower seeds in whatever way you do it) beat a #1 seeded Florida and make it to the final four in football? I think these are 2 different animals.

[wvjohn]

NBA sucks, there are way to many thugs that play the game now, it's nothing like it was before . Then they play ball as a team, now it's all about how the person can make them selfs look good.

So as for the NBA they can do away it all together.

[Eric]

I'm not really in favor of a playoff, but I could live with a system where all the bowls are still in tact with the BCS. After the BCS, the top 4 teams play in a playoff. I do think that the bowls should be played quicker than they are with this system. That way, a week after the end of the regular season, bowl season begins and we can cram 32 bowl games within 2 weeks. After a week off, that 4 team playoff could begin.

However, even with a 4 team playoff, some teams are going to complain that they were snubbed.

[..fanatic]

NBA is uninteresting, is dominated by stars, and lacks any form of defense. NCAA basketball is leaps and bounds above the professional league. The NCAA tourney is one of the most fun sports events to watch or follow closely.

Think of how much better College football would be with a playoff.

Yes. Let's have a playoff -- just like basketball and every other college sport because they are so much better than college football.

Oh wait a minute, no sport has greater attendance numbers or TV ad revenue, than bowl subdivision college football.

Yeah, let's have a playoff. Screw it up like all the other sports so people can be apathetic until the playoffs roll around.

Yeah, let's have a playoff. You'll have to watch them on TV, of course, because you surely won't be able to afford the tickets or the travel expenses. Seriously, do you really want to spend a couple thousand bucks (travel, tickets for a family of four) on a first-round game that your team might lose. If you spend the money on the first game, and your team wins, will you be able to afford to go to the next game? So what are you gonna do - wait and see what the outcome of that first game is? Wow, sounds like a lot of fun.

Yeah, let's have a playoff. I want my number 1-ranked 12-0 team to "prove itself" against a 16th-ranked 9-3 team as its first step to a national title (having to play a 10-2 8th-ranked team would be just as stupid).

Thankfully, the way it is now - we'll never have a 16th-ranked, or 12th-ranked, or even 6th-ranked team winning the national championship.

Sorry, but I'll take it the way it is - imperfect, debatable, and exciting as heck.

[Spence]

I don't think many people think the whole play-off thing through. Aside from the things that you just mentioned, the teams that make the play-offs would be decided (at least in part) by the evil polls. Nothing would change. Only the argument would shift as to why this 9-3 team made it and that one didn't. We would also hear the argument for more teams that would need to be added because of that injustice.

College Football is fine the way it is. We have a championship game. We have the most exciting regular season in sports. We have a post season that allows 32 teams to go into the next season as winners. We have enough controversy to keep people interested during the off season. We also have a champion that is at least as legitimate as any other sport that uses a play off system except maybe pro baseball.

I don't ever want to pay money to see a college football game in which my team has a playoff spot secured and I get to watch a bunch of walk-ons play Indiana. I like it when USC has to work to come from behind to Fresno State because they can't afford a loss instead of just writing the game off because they don't need the win.

[..fanatic]

Good additonal points Spence.

And don't give me this plus-1 crap either. That's the dumbest thing I've heard in the entire debate. No. 1 beat 2, or No. 2 beat No. 1, and now they have to play who??? - No. 3 or 4 or 5. This year, that means Florida would have likely had to play LSU after beating Ohio State. And the team a lot of folks would have liked to have seen get a shot - Boise State - would STILL be on the outside looking in with the only undefeated record. So what would the plus-1 really prove? Nothing.

[mountainman]

There is little dispute on who the champ is if there is a playoff.

Wanta' bet?

[mountainman]

There would be no doubt about which team won the tournament or playoff, but there would remain doubt about which team was the best team in the game. A playoff won't solve that issue.

One of the sticking points is, that somebody, I think it was fanatic, eluded to it earlier in this thread is ..... how do you tell a team that goes 13 - 0 or 12 - 0 during the regular season that played a tough conference schedule as well as a strong OOC schedule that gets beat in a preliminary game of a tournament or playoff by a team that went 10 - 2 during the regular season with one of those losses coming at the hands of a team that the undefeated team beat soundly during the regular season, that the winner of the playoff is a better team?

If one wants a tournament champion that's fine, but if one wants a national champion there has to be an approach like or similar to what's going on currently with the BCS. Qualifying for for the National Title Game based on a teams performance during the regular season and scrutiny of voters, computer systems, the media and the public eye is a tough measuring stick. IMHO.

[Spence]

The only way you could really determine a true national championship is to have a regular season and playoff that resembles the baseball format. That is never going to happen, because it requires to many games.

People all the time say "it works in the NFL", to which I reply "the NFL doesn't have 119 teams". The college football season isn't long enough, and can never be long enough to determine a true national champion on the field. Not one in which all of the teams are represented evenly.

Mountainman is correct in saying a tournament only gives you a tournament champ. The best team in CBB doesn't always make the finals let alone win. The same is true in CFB. People always think the grass is greener on the other side of the fence. In this case as in most, they are the same. At least CFB's system gives us an exciting run from start to finish. CBB isn't even mildly interesting until March. When half the teams get a chance at the championship in post season play, the regular season is just practice.

[..fanatic]

Further bashing of the +1 idea.

Let's say you had that idiotic +1 thing this year and you began with 2 vs. 3 and 1 vs. 4.

That pits Ohio State against LSU and Florida against Michigan.
Conceivably, you could wind up with an all Big 10 or an-all SEC title game, both which would be remtaches. And you could win up with a national champ that wasn't even a conference champ.

Meanwhile, this so-called definitive playoff would still omit an undefeated Boise State, and a 1-loss Wisconsin (which didn't play Ohio State in the regular season and never got to prove itself once while a 1-loss Michigan could possibly get two bites at the apple).

How the heck would THAT make anything better?

[Spence]

It wouldn't. THe only reason people want the plus one is that it would begin a playoff system. It is kind of a back door way for them to get what they want.