ASU:Dirtiest Team In College Football This Year

[BYUfan1]

Dennis Erickson is up to his old tricks again. I believe Arizona State had seven personal fouls called against them when they played Colorado last Saturday. That included their punter leading with his helmet after the punt returner was down and Rudy Burgess steamrolling over a punt returner when he didn't even have the ball yet. I guess this is Erickson's tactic until his talent level improves: imtimidate the opponent. That might work against Colorado, let's see how that works when conference play starts. Maybe I should have voted Erickson as the most annoying coach!

[donovan]

Gosh if this is true..which it absolutely is not...maybe Alabama would have overlooked whatever did not happen.

[donovan]

I would say Ericson's Miami team's were dirty. I am asking Donovan what he was talking about. I don't think alabama has any flagrant penalties this year. I was actually pretty pleased that they have not had many penalties so far. I do think they have a 15-yard facemask, but i don't think it was intentional at all.

I just tell them...can not explain them..........do not understand my posts myself.....and daily that list gets longer and longer.......

[1992heritage]

Erickson screwed all the college teams that gave him a chance. Mo money, Mo money, Mo money.

[donovan]

Erickson screwed all the college teams that gave him a chance. Mo money, Mo money, Mo money.

oh yeah....and that is a real exclusive club!

[RazorHawk]

I don't know what you're talking about. What happened?

I myself was saying, "What" does Dennis Erickson have to do with Alabama. Not sure and apparently Donovan doesn't either. Maybe it was a Price reference, who knows?

Looking forward to a great game tomorrow night.

[donovan]

I don't know what you're talking about. What happened?

I myself was saying, "What" does Dennis Erickson have to do with Alabama. Not sure and apparently Donovan doesn't either. Maybe it was a Price reference, who knows?

Looking forward to a great game tomorrow night.

Well...I will explain...apparently not everyone has the high moral regard for Alabama football over the years as others.....It always starts at the top:

The single incident that became a national symbol for the type of dirty football allegedly encouraged by Bryant occurred in the fourth quarter on a routine punt return on which Alabama's return man called for a fair catch. The score was 10-0 and Alabama was determined to pound the last hopes for victory from the Tech squad.

Georgia Tech's Chick Graning was running down field on punt coverage when he saw the fair catch signal. Thinking the play was over, he pulled up, temporarily dropping his guard. That was all Alabama's Darwin Holt, a Texas native and a senior who'd followed Bryant from A&M, needed to see. He sprung at Graning, throwing a forearm into the unsuspecting young man's face and shattering his jaw.

Everywhere else in America, and especially in Georgia Tech's hometown of Atlanta, it was the story of the week. Graning's jaw and cheekbone were shattered, he'd lost five teeth, suffered a concussion and, since his nasal bone had also been destroyed, his sinuses had flooded with blood. The Atlanta Constitution ran photos of the brutalized young Graning lying in his hospital bed with his face smothered in bandages. The papers called for Holt to be suspended for what was, to them, an obviously late and dirty hit.

[Spence]

Georgia Tech's Chick Graning was running down field on punt coverage when he saw the fair catch signal. Thinking the play was over, he pulled up, temporarily dropping his guard. That was all Alabama's Darwin Holt, a Texas native and a senior who'd followed Bryant from A&M, needed to see. He sprung at Graning, throwing a forearm into the unsuspecting young man's face and shattering his jaw.

I've never been much for dirty play, but games back then were played a lot different then today. It was played meaner. Dick Butkus tried to take out everyone he played against. He wasn't a dirty player, but he was a mean player. Also players are taught to play to the whistle. I have no problem with a guy trying to put you through the ground during the play. It is no secret that I am a Jack Tatum fan. People say the Tatum was a dirty player, but that isn't true. He did hurt some people, but the hits were all legal, brutal, but legal. He quit playing when the whistle blew, but never until it blew.

[WoVeU]

If the whistle ain't blown there is no safe zone! Take their head-off.

I am a Raiders fan! I was recruited during the very early 80's.

I have certain rules...don't go for back, neck, or knees. To save the neck and knees you generally can't go to the head or ankles either. Everything else is just bringing the pain!!!

I think a lot of people on this board wouldn't like my Defense if I were running one. It is harder now-a-days with QB and engaged O-Line rules. But I'd change at least 2 O-lineman's worlds each and every game.

QB's back side tackle is going to have problems. Subtle at first, when they run he gets beat to death by a DT and DE and this doesn't take long when the ball is the after thought or none at all. When they pass I stunt these 2 (around end and the other to the Center) and when the OT and OG is pedaling to form the wall of the pocket and bringing those arms up my LB crashes his upper thighs, he takes the OG when it looks more opportune. He will eventually be pass defending and the DE will just fall to the ground (following a shout) and the FS hits him at wide open speed as the DE slides down his legs! I'll own him by the 2nd quarter and the OG is not far behind. These 2 boys will be defending themselves and not the QB anymore...then guess who's turn it is.

The best way to get the King is take out the Queen.

(And I don't just do this, I practice this as much as any blitz!) Just win baby!

[donovan]

...I find these comments somewhat pathetic and sophomoric......Bill Walsh, one of the all time most successful coaches, said that he disliked the violence and rough play. He thought that only sufficient force should be made to stop the play.

We live in a world of sensory saturation. It is in every aspect of our lives. Winning at any cost is not winning...it is some of the greatest loss we can endure.

[WoVeU]

I understand that that sentiment. Many would have the same. But I'm not cheating or trying to injure anyone. I'm changing the game!

If I'm 40th in country I think I can take on the team that is 8th. An 8th ranked team with say twice the money and recruiting is set to play traditionally...Advance the Football...and...Stop the Football. If you are getting 18 pts in week 7 there is a reason. The 8th rank team simply does that better. You can take your chances and win 1 in 12 or 15 games and I will go out and do what I do when I'm facing system problems and functions that seemed to have me in a very bad way. Take the derivative or integrate and see what variables I can uncover.

I'm only playing at a more strategic level. RBs and QBs rely on the line and the FB to move the ball. And defenders try to defeat them in large by going around them. I'm going through them and make them defend a point of attack they aren't used to defending. I don't want them injured I do want them bruised and battered, fatigued, and frustrated. So they feel like a RB does in the late 3rd by the early 2nd quarter. And you will anger the entire team and the entire O (including the QB and RB) will be sure to tell your guys about it every play and you just smile and say," Where is the flag? And don't worry...your turn is coming! And we'll turn it up a bit then!"

I guarantee you they try to change around what I'm doing and that will further their inability to run the offense. Likely their defense tries to return the favor and they play out of rhythm. Before the half we are playing even football though we may be down even 10 points or so. They plan for things at half, then I come out and just stop the football a possession or 2 and their defense (who is steaming and going to return the favor) is going open up the flat for me and I can get a couple of scoring drives again. Late 3rd just a few more plays of batter the lineman then I go back to stop the ball and see if I can pull out a win.

[WoVeU]

Didn't know Bill was on this board. Too bad I don't care about autographs and such as that would be a good one! Not too many can they shaped the game to what it is today!

[donovan]

......how self righteous is it to think that people only care about Alabama football and not lowly Boise State........and if you think Bryant was the epitome of virtue...go ahead....

[billybud]

Interesting.

I recently watched FSU get penalized for roughing the QB...on a running play. Now, I thought.."well, it isn't roughing the passer because its a running play. The QB is still an active player and can block or receive the ball back...what's the problem?"

The NCAA has a rule...it's called blocking a defenseless player. If a player is out of the play...like jogging up from across the field, it is a penalty to hit him. The refs ruled that the QB, after handing off, was out of the play.

[Spence]

I think that is a bunch of crap. Is the left tackle out of the play on a right option? Should you lay off the flanker running a deep route on a hand off. I can see protecting the kicker in the act of kicking the ball and the QB after a pass, but that is a stupid rule IMO. If they want to go to that extreme then they should rule after the ball leaves the QB's hands he can no longer take part in anything that happens until the whistle blows. If someone fumbles and tries to run back the ball, the QB shouldn't be able to tackle him in that case.