Boise State being snubbed by BCS

[Spence]

I agree. They couldn't get anything going on the ground to set anything up in the second half. The defense is playing inspired, though. Except the couple times Aaron Brown got loose they have been stout. TCU takes to many shots downfield. You have a RB that has good vision you run him and set up play action.

[donovan]

Congratulations to TCU. They outplayed BSU on offense and defense and for the first time I remember, they were out coached.

BSU is reminiscent of the Peter Principle....so disappointed.

[Spence]

That is how you want to leave a bowl game if you are either team. Both teams left it all on the field, that is all you can ask as a fan. There were mistakes on both sides, both sides took advantage of the others mistakes, they hit hard, they ran hard. It was a good football game.

[WoVeU]

I only found 2 cases where bottom 12 FBS schools played top 12 FCS schools this year. The FBS schools LOST both games!

[billybud]

OK...give us a hint so that we can think about it...what were the teams?

[WoVeU]

OK...give us a hint so that we can think about it...what were the teams?

FCS Rankings by the Sports Network, FBS Rankings by CBS Sportsline

#10-Cal Poly over #113 - San Diego St.: 29-27
#8 - New Hampshire over #110 - Army : 28-10

[billybud]

Yeah...what I thought...BCS teams ranked over #100. LOL..and neither is in a BCS conference.

It's the same as Div II schools beating FCS teams...the better Div II teams can beat a weak FCS team...

[WoVeU]

A look inside the FCS:

FBS # 105 - E.Michigan ......played 1 FCS school....beating Indiana St. 52-0. (#82 - N. Ill also beat them 48-3).
Indiana St. Also lost to these FCS teams (Ind St won 0 games)...

10/04 ....-*NR-... Illinois State .........L 57-6
10/11 ....@ #11 Southern Illinois ......L 60-7
10/18 ....@ #36 Western Illinois .......L 56-0
10/25 .....#28 South Dakota State ....L 49-9
11/01 ....@ #39 North Dakota State ...L 34-7

*44th or lower ranking

So Indiana St. was beaten by 2 FBS teams, AVG Rank, AVG Score: #94.5, 50-1.5

So Indiana St. was beaten by 5 FCS teams, AVG Rank, AVG Score: #31.6, 51.2-5.8

[WoVeU]

A look inside the FCS:

FBS # 98 - Ohio ......played 1 FCS school....beating VMI 51-31.
VMI also lost to these FCS teams (VMI went 4-7)...

9/13 ....@ #20 William & Mary ....L 52-17
..............................................................9/27 ...@ Ohio.....L 51-31
10/04 .....#1 Richmond ............L 56-16

VMI beaten by 1FBS school Ohio - Rank, Score: #98, 51-31
VMI was beaten by 2 FCS teams, AVG Rank, AVG Score: #10.5, 54-16.5

(If you pay attention you might see I am not culling for data that benefits me...I need a school who played an FCS team to draw some comparison)

[RazorHawk]

A look inside the FCS:

FBS # 105 - E.Michigan ......played 1 FCS school....beating Indiana St. 52-0. (#82 - N. Ill also beat them 48-3).
Indiana St. Also lost to these FCS teams (Ind St won 0 games)...

10/04 ....-*NR-... Illinois State .........L 57-6
10/11 ....@ #11 Southern Illinois ......L 60-7
10/18 ....@ #36 Western Illinois .......L 56-0
10/25 .....#28 South Dakota State ....L 49-9
11/01 ....@ #39 North Dakota State ...L 34-7

*44th or lower ranking

So Indiana St. was beaten by 2 FBS teams, AVG Rank, AVG Score: #94.5, 50-1.5

So Indiana St. was beaten by 5 FCS teams, AVG Rank, AVG Score: #31.6, 51.2-5.8

OK, that tells me only that FCS teams will try to run up the score against other FCS teams, while FBS teams with a much deeper roster will play their 3rd and 4th strings, hence not running up the score.

Seriously, those numbers mean absolutely nothing, relevant to relative strength.

[WoVeU]

Murray St. playing and losing to 2 FBS schools

8/28 .-NR- Lambuth.............W 41-17
9/06 .....................................................@ Indiana ....L 45-3
9/13 .-NR- Illinois State.........L 42-23
9/20 ........................................@ Western Kentucky .....L 50-9
9/27 ..#26 Tennessee-Martin...L 63-38

2 FBS losses...AVG: #107, 47.5-6

3 FCS (Max Rank), Score: #38, 48.7-26

[WoVeU]

Seriously, those numbers mean absolutely nothing, relevant to relative strength.

The FCS teams don't have too much reason to run up the score...remember they have a Tourney!
And you might be something around a legit point if where we had the top FCS playing the bottom FBS cases, the FBS went 0-2.

[Spence]

Seriously, those numbers mean absolutely nothing, relevant to relative strength.

The FCS teams don't have too much reason to run up the score...remember they have a Tourney!
And you might be something around a legit point if where we had the top FCS playing the bottom FBS cases, the FBS went 0-2.

They have the tourney, but the are still jockeying for position. They will run it up if they can, Razor is right. You can't look at the score to tell. If you do look at scores to compare, look at the box score and see how close the game was quarter to quarter. That will tell you more then anything if you don't see the game.

[WoVeU]

Now the lower FBS teams did win against non-top 10 or 12 FCS schools.

#112, #118, #120 (Iowa St., SMU, W. Kentucky) beat the #19, #22, #28 FCS w/ a good AVG of 42.7-22 against Avg Rank: #23.

#1-Richmond -
(did lose to #61 - Virgina 16-0...very much an average FBS team)
#32 UMass, 30-15; #20 WIlliam & Mary, 23-20, #19 E. Kentucky 38-10, #18 Maine 44-17, #17 Elon 28-10...AVG of 32.6-14.4 against Avg Rank: #21.
(Richmond - lost to #6-Villanova & #3-James Madison, a comb. 51-64 score) and also beat #5-App St., #4-N. Iowa, and #2-Montana (comb. 78-40)...that is cool, they played the #2, 3, 4, 5, and 6th ranked teams...comb. 129-104, AVG: 25.8-20.8) That is a tight upper 6!

#2-Montana -
#35-Eastern Washington, 19-3; #41-Montana State, 35-3; #22-Texas State, 31-13...AVG of 28.3-6.3 against Avg Rank: #32.7.
#10-Cal Poly, 30-28 ; #7-Weber St., 28-45 & 24-13; #3-James Madison, 35-27, #1-Richmond, 7-24...AVGs...24.8-27.4 A very tight Top 10!

#3-James Madison -
#32 UMass, 52-38; #20-Will. & Mary, 48-24; #18 Maine, 24-10...AVGs...41.3-24, Avg Rank: 23.3
#1-Richmond, 38-31, #2-Montana, 27-35, #5-App St., 35-32; #6-Villanova, 23-19 & 31-27; #9-Wofford, 38-35...AVGs...32-29.8A very tight Top 10!

Jumping Down for sake of time...to the teams beating the Bottom FBS schools (I promise I didn't look through their Results, for 4-7 and 9 that is.)

#8-New Hampshire -
Beat Army #110-Army, 28-10.
#27-Albany, 32-24; #20-Will.&Mary,34-38; #32-Mass., 52-21; #18-Maine-28-24...AVGs...36.5-26.8, Avg Rank: 24.3
#6-Villanova, 13-24; S. Illinois, 29-20; #4-N. Iowa, 34-36...AVG...25.3-26.7A rather tight Top 12!

#10- Cal. Poly -
Beat #113-San Diego St., 29-27...and took #41-Wisconsin to OT losing 35-36. They didn't fair as well against FCS Top 10...went 0-2.
#40-NW St., 52-18, #28-S. Dakota St., 49-22....AVGs...50.5-20, Avg Rank: 34
#2-Montana, 28-30, #7-Weber St., 35-49...AVG...31.5-39.5A rather tight Top 8!

So these 2 teams beat Bottom FBS opponents...but like you'd expect their records against the Top 8 and 12 FCS comes down considerably from the first 3 teams examined...in fact to a losing score AVG.

FROM THE TOP
3 FBS teams that played Top 13-43 FCS teams....have a 19.3 MoV @ 23Rank
3 FCS Teams avg Rank of #2 versus the same bracket...a 19.2 MoV @ 25.7Rank
2 FCS Teams avg Rank of #9 versus the same bracket...a 20.1 MoV @ 29.2Rank


There is enough data points here to suggest the Top 10 to 12 FCS teams can play with the Bottom 10 to 12 FBS schools. It actually looks like the FCS teams would fair a little better! But I'll call it even!!!

[WoVeU]

Let me waste some more time on this...the typing may help my guitar fingering!

Murray St. games giving averages

Versus 2 FBS Opp. AVG #107 Ranking (Indiana Being 94th and a BCS school, not what I was arguing at all.) Murray St. plating on the road each time.

Avg scores:
Half - 25.5-4.5....3rd - 40.5-6....Fnl - 47.5-6

Versus 4 FCS Opp. Avg Ranking #52 (Extremely below who I am arguing about) Murray St. is home 2 and Away 2.

Avg scores:
Half - 25.3-7.5....3rd - 38-13.5...Fnl - 43.3-18.5

Now where Murray St. is away 2 against E. Ill and E. Kentucky; Avg Rank of #49.5 (again way, way below)
Avg scores:
Half - 26-1.5.....3rd - 32.5-6.5...Fnl - 34-6.5

---This seems to show these 2 FCS teams shut it down a little earlier, where you are more comfortable in doing that at home!!!