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Re: Understanding Obama and our times.

Postby WoVeU » Sun Mar 22, 2009 11:55 am

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Eric wrote:Of course 12 weeks won't erase it, but once the guvmint releases the money they have stored (much of the stimulus hasn't been tapped into), inflation will absolutely skyrocket. The debt combined with the unregulated printing of money will make the value of the dollar pretty much plummet. It would have been nice to throw that trillion that Obama just spent at our national debt.


The dollar has already plummeted to almost $1.36 against the euro and $1.45 against British pound. This week the dollar had the biggest drop in over 24 years. This makes everything we buy from other countries more expensive. It inflates the cost of everything. In the short term it will make our products more attractive internationally, but we get most of our money for deficit spending from China. As our debt grows to a point where they believe we can't manage it, they will charge us more interest to secure the loan because our credit rating as a country will go down. Then the government will be spending almost every thing brought in by taxes every year to manage the debt. That means taxes will have to be raised to cover the cost of just keeping the government open for business. Lots of state governments are going through this right now. California is bankrupt, they have a terrible credit rating and they are having a hard time securing credit because they can't pay their debt. That will mirror what will happen to us nationally. The bad thing about this is that our politicians know exactly what is going to happen and they are too worried about being elected in a couple years to care. That is why they shouldn't be elected in a couple of years.


I hang some hope on our reduced exchange rate along with 2 others factors greatly increasing the sale of US products and products with higher percentages of US manufacturing and engineering bases. The 2 other factors, employment reduction spurring productivity increases as they always do and thus reducing the production cost of our goods and services. And the recovery will surely be tied to global production increases and this will let petroleum prices raise concurrently and probably to levels exceeding highs we have seen. I think the cumulative effect could make the real price of US goods 35% cheaper or more. More boost should be realized in the 6 to 18 month post trough period in real US wages which will be lowered as individuals always accept less pay to keep working or get back to work and there is a lag in the recovery of these wages. Infrastructure development and renovation also help to reduce wast and thereby costs in most things in the commercial-industrial sectors. Additionally, residuals from federal stimulus that go to business in the form of reduced taxes for expansionary investment and government backed loans could further productivity enhancements and reduce production cuts. One rolling we should see very sizable demand increases for our goods, especially internally (us buying US goods from right her at home).
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Re: Understanding Obama and our times.

Postby Spence » Sun Mar 22, 2009 2:40 pm

But today we are not equipped to buy American. We don't produce a lot of the products we use every day besides food. And if we have one bad growing season that doesn't give us enough surplus to sell, we are in trouble. That is the cow that gives the milk in this country. It is the last munfacturing industry that we lead the world in. It is the thing that keeps our credit good with other countries. It is one of the last things they need us for. Besides if the cost of all of that is too much for the debt to be managed, it won't matter. We would be much better off with a $1.15 to $1.20 exange rate to the euro.
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Postby WoVeU » Sun Mar 22, 2009 4:28 pm

Let me be clear...the cost we paid for the benefit is ridiculous. No way you get that back...I'm saying the things I spoke on may keep us from being a 2nd or 3rd world looking country in 4 years.And we have a little more manufacturing than some think. Many small companies have operations here, those things help. Cause I know from experience they have started using Chinese labor and manufacturing. They 50 Million market cappers and below won't be able to afford to offshore mfg...it will be cheaper here. A year ago I worked for a 25 Million company and Chinese labor was going to save maybe 8 to 10%. That will be gone. That will put more jobs and material sourcing here. We'll have suffered too much to get it but we'll get a boost from it.
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Re: Understanding Obama and our times.

Postby Spence » Sun Mar 22, 2009 7:30 pm

We do have plenty of small business owners. Those are the ones Obama's going after. I think the price we are going to pay for this could cost us our freedom.
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Re: Understanding Obama and our times.

Postby WoVeU » Sun Mar 22, 2009 10:33 pm

Spence wrote:We do have plenty of small business owners. Those are the ones Obama's going after. I think the price we are going to pay for this could cost us our freedom.


Not my last 2 freedoms. I have been keeping those in the closet with 2 morals, a scruple, a shred of ethics, a benefit of the doubt, and my loaded guns!

If they take those 2 freedoms then when I look in my closet, all that will be between me and my loaded guns is 2 morals , a scruple, a shred of ethics, and the benefit of the doubt!
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Re: Understanding Obama and our times.

Postby Derek » Mon Mar 23, 2009 1:12 am

WoVeU wrote:
Spence wrote:We do have plenty of small business owners. Those are the ones Obama's going after. I think the price we are going to pay for this could cost us our freedom.


Not my last 2 freedoms. I have been keeping those in the closet with 2 morals, a scruple, a shred of ethics, a benefit of the doubt, and my loaded guns!

If they take those 2 freedoms then when I look in my closet, all that will be between me and my loaded guns is 2 morals , a scruple, a shred of ethics, and the benefit of the doubt!


:lol: :lol:

I agree, the guns are an important thing to me, and removing them from my house will mean we have a problem.
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Re: Understanding Obama and our times.

Postby donovan » Mon Mar 23, 2009 4:33 pm

Derek wrote:
WoVeU wrote:
Spence wrote:We do have plenty of small business owners. Those are the ones Obama's going after. I think the price we are going to pay for this could cost us our freedom.


Not my last 2 freedoms. I have been keeping those in the closet with 2 morals, a scruple, a shred of ethics, a benefit of the doubt, and my loaded guns!

If they take those 2 freedoms then when I look in my closet, all that will be between me and my loaded guns is 2 morals , a scruple, a shred of ethics, and the benefit of the doubt!


:lol: :lol:

I agree, the guns are an important thing to me, and removing them from my house will mean we have a problem.



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Re: Understanding Obama and our times.

Postby billybud » Wed Mar 25, 2009 6:00 pm

I do not keep guns in my closet....

My nightstand top drawer does hold a Kimber .45 compact and a S&W .357...my study desk drawer holds the other .45. The rest are in my small gun safe.

I do not hunt nor will I kill animals for sport ever again...I have no long guns. Sold them all. I may buy an ancient shotgun just because I have always loved the double barrelled, externally hammered, old pieces. The ones I like won't fire a modern shell so it is more for the "art" value.

My wife and I shoot. We do have an assortment of hand guns (Beyond the Kimber, I have and like the European Arms version of the CZ in .45), my lone .357 (S&W...it's a stopper but not very accurate past 30 feet), my Browning Hi Power in 9mm, my Springfield Armory in 9mm, my Black Widow belly gun in .22 magnum (easy to carry when wearing shorts and a Tee shirt), her Ruger Mark II. Her Kahr Arms MK 9, 9mm compact.

Nope...you wouldn't want to kick our door in...She shoots a very nice grouping and I ain't no slouch.
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Re: Understanding Obama and our times.

Postby WoVeU » Wed Mar 25, 2009 6:49 pm

billybud wrote:I do not keep guns in my closet....

My nightstand top drawer does hold a Kimber .45 compact and a S&W .357...my study desk drawer holds the other .45. The rest are in my small gun safe.

I do not hunt nor will I kill animals for sport ever again...I have no long guns. Sold them all. I may buy an ancient shotgun just because I have always loved the double barrelled, externally hammered, old pieces. The ones I like won't fire a modern shell so it is more for the "art" value.

My wife and I shoot. We do have an assortment of hand guns (Beyond the Kimber, I have and like the European Arms version of the CZ in .45), my lone .357 (S&W...it's a stopper but not very accurate past 30 feet), my Browning Hi Power in 9mm, my Springfield Armory in 9mm, my Black Widow belly gun in .22 magnum (easy to carry when wearing shorts and a Tee shirt), her Ruger Mark II. Her Kahr Arms MK 9, 9mm compact.

Nope...you wouldn't want to kick our door in...She shoots a very nice grouping and I ain't no slouch.


I have a long gun!
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Postby WoVeU » Wed Mar 25, 2009 7:00 pm

I have never spent as much time with my kids shooting as I did as a kid. Suburban living in a strange states for the most part.

My dad, my brothers, and I can shoot eyes out at several hundred yards (rifles of course). I have never been in a house that I couldn't hit a man in the head with a good pistol from the longest point-to-point in the joint.

I've been looking at some nice .50 cal hand-cannons. If you ran out of ammo, you could beat the dude to death with these things. Or you could use one as a cane!
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Re: Understanding Obama and our times.

Postby Spence » Wed Mar 25, 2009 9:22 pm

I don't hunt anymore. I still have my shotguns and rifles and shoot them every once in a while. I just bought "the judge" by Taurus, I am hoping to shoot it soon. It is a good home defense gun. It shoots a 410 shell or a 45 colt. It is a real "inforcer" type weapon.
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Postby WoVeU » Wed Mar 25, 2009 9:37 pm

Spence wrote:I don't hunt anymore. I still have my shotguns and rifles and shoot them every once in a while. I just bought "the judge" by Taurus, I am hoping to shoot it soon. It is a good home defense gun. It shoots a 410 shell or a 45 colt. It is a real "inforcer" type weapon.


Some guys, I'll take the upper road here, just don't know what is like to shoot a gun. Just target shooting is great. Usually when kids who never fired guns gets a chance...their eyes light up...cool! :D
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Re: Understanding Obama and our times.

Postby Derek » Wed Mar 25, 2009 10:13 pm

Spence wrote:I don't hunt anymore. I still have my shotguns and rifles and shoot them every once in a while. I just bought "the judge" by Taurus, I am hoping to shoot it soon. It is a good home defense gun. It shoots a 410 shell or a 45 colt. It is a real "inforcer" type weapon.


Interesting. I have a .410 right under my bed. VERY accurate gun (little kick) for stopping ANYONE in your house (close range)...I won't be aiming for the body. And if I can hit a skeet target with a .410, I ain't missing my target in my home. :wink:
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Re: Understanding Obama and our times.

Postby WoVeU » Wed Mar 25, 2009 10:22 pm

When I get done messing with little car designs...one day I want to design a 10 gauge belt fed auto.

Just for personal defense. A little something something.
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Postby Derek » Wed Mar 25, 2009 10:25 pm

WoVeU wrote:When I get done messing with little car designs...one day I want to design a 10 gauge belt fed auto.

Just for personal defense. A little something something.


Now see, that's what America is all about. :wink:
They’re either going to run the ball here or their going to pass it.

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See, well ya see, the thing is, he should have caught that ball. But the ball is bigger than his hands.

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