Boise State vs. Wyoming

[Derek]

Just goes to show that Wyoming isn't James Madison.

Indeed.

[Vileborg]

People seem to forget that Boise St. is returning almost their WHOLE BCS winning team from last year. The media wants them drawn and quartered and makes a big deal about this and that in reference to their game with Va. Tech. This team needs no validation as its the same team who took out TCU last year. They will remain where they belong in my poll until they give me a good reason not to keep them there just like any other team. The only difference is that I remember that they returned their whole team and it was a good team last year. That is phenomenal in its own right, but when that team also went to a BCS game and brought home the trophy it's a front runner for sure. If your buying into the media hype your only shafting college football. If you believe in equal opportunity and fairness then remember this team is on a 16 game win streak and have won 28 out of their last 29. Make that a 27 game winning streak for the regular season. This team is a proven winner and to deny them with all they have accomplished is just utter crap and you should be ashamed of yourselves.

It's like saying "Work hard and you'll earn your shot." and then when the time comes and the track record is there. "Well, we don't think you did enough." Boise has done it, they've earned it, they've proven it, they belong. Get over it.

SoS, Blah Blah Blah, take your SoS and stick it where the sun don't shine cause it's only an excuse now and a lame one.

As for Boise St., I respect them for what they've done. I'm not a fan, don't watch their games, have no interest in the team, but as long as they keep winning I'll keep putting them where they belong.

Vile

[Vileborg]

Let me amend my statement a little bit. As well as Alabama & Ohio St. are playing I think it's a three way question for me, but Boise St. is still half my solution.

[silverfox]

Let me amend my statement a little bit. As well as Alabama & Ohio St. are playing I think it's a three way question for me, but Boise St. is still half my solution.

Not bad... not bad at all. At least an honest answer. Sometimes folks get too wrapped up inside their own selves to see what it is that has them binded in the first place. I appreciated your candor and of course, everyone here knows you are right and spoke about what is right. Thank you

[billybud]

LOL...

Candor and honesty? Because someone agrees with your perception?

I ask the question every week..."who have they beaten and how did they look doing it".

The season is still early...But in the end, I will vote for the teams that have played the best ball over a season. And the two teams that have had the closest to a championship season in my book will be #1 and #2.

[donovan]

I always think the people that agree with me are the most enlightened....

The other day this women quoted the oft spoken phrase, "live every day like it is your last". I thought about that and it occurs to me, Who wants to be right one time in 98 years?" Seems that percentage isn't very good.

I looked at the CFP users poll final results, and though it does not agree with mine, not even very close, I think it is pretty accurate. I think there is some bias...but unlike another thread in statistics bias is a systematic as opposed to a random distortion of a statistic as a result of sampling procedure. My problem in ranking is, 1, I do not believe in it, 2, the system is so flawed not sure it means much at all, 3, there are predetermined objectives in the rankings that makes it somewhat silly, in my opinion.

[Spence]

I always think the people that agree with me are the most enlightened....

The other day this women quoted the oft spoken phrase, "live every day like it is your last". I thought about that and it occurs to me, Who wants to be right one time in 98 years?" Seems that percentage isn't very good.

I looked at the CFP users poll final results, and though it does not agree with mine, not even very close, I think it is pretty accurate. I think there is some bias...but unlike another thread in statistics bias is a systematic as opposed to a random distortion of a statistic as a result of sampling procedure. My problem in ranking is, 1, I do not believe in it, 2, the system is so flawed not sure it means much at all, 3, there are predetermined objectives in the rankings that makes it somewhat silly, in my opinion.

I don't think a bias for a team hurts any poll. To me, if everyone has a built in bias for their team, everyone cancels everyone else out. What makes things bad in a poll is bias against a team. That is what makes a bad poll IMO. I think as long as you try and be objective with every team other then your own team, you will make a good poll and if you combine them all the end result should be pretty good.

I like our poll better this year then in previous years, because people are reflecting their opinions more then looking at the coaches or AP and then coming up with an order. We have first place votes for several different teams and even the top ten order is very different voter to voter. Some people may think that would make a bad poll, but I disagree, I think it makes the best poll. Whether or not it is a correct poll, who knows, I think it reflects an honest viewpoint from all around the country, by people who try to be objective. That is really all you can ask.

[silverfox]

LOL...

Candor and honesty? Because someone agrees with your perception?

I ask the question every week..."who have they beaten and how did they look doing it".

The season is still early...But in the end, I will vote for the teams that have played the best ball over a season. And the two teams that have had the closest to a championship season "in my book" will be #1 and #2.

Until you can learn to look outside of the box your book is indeed your own perception and opinion. Dylan Thomas somewhat describes your struggle with allowing others to even have a differing opinion just because they read from a different book. I agree that the two teams that have the closest to a championship season should play in the NC game. On the other hand, your book is "old age" and the new age is upon us whether you like it or not. Have a happy season.

Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rage at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

[Dossenator]

I agree with Billybud. Look at Bama's next several games....at Arkansas, Florida, at South Carolina....etc, etc. Boise does not play one team as good as any of them...not one. Even if Boise goes undefeated it would take several teams with 2 losses for me to rank them in the 1 or 2 spot. I have nothing against Boise. I watch their games and they are entertaining. They are a very good team. I just want to see them play a tougher schedule.

[silverfox]

I agree with Billybud. Look at Bama's next several games....at Arkansas, Florida, at South Carolina....etc, etc. ... I just want to see them play a tougher schedule.

Thats good. I have a solution. Let Bama play BSU at the end of the season and let's see where the cookie crumbles.

[Dossenator]

I agree with Billybud. Look at Bama's next several games....at Arkansas, Florida, at South Carolina....etc, etc. ... I just want to see them play a tougher schedule.

Thats good. I have a solution. Let Bama play BSU at the end of the season and let's see where the cookie crumbles.

Sorry...Bama is losing this Saturday. Maybe have Boise play the Razorbacks. That would make both of us happy.

Actually, if I am being completely honest I would hope for a different opponent for Ark if they made it through their schedule unbeaten....say, Texas, Ohio State, OU....

[Eric]

LOL...

Candor and honesty? Because someone agrees with your perception?

I ask the question every week..."who have they beaten and how did they look doing it".

The season is still early...But in the end, I will vote for the teams that have played the best ball over a season. And the two teams that have had the closest to a championship season in my book will be #1 and #2.

It's hard to say, but as long as Boise State wipes out their competition, I say give them a shot. I know I have argued against Boise State on this board, but my main point is that I would not want to see them get in over a 12-1 Alabama SEC champion team. If it's 11-1 Oklahoma or something, there is certainly a discussion to be had. The Virginia Tech team that Boise played in Maryland was certainly one that was worthy of a top 25 ranking. Of course they lost to James Madison, but that was a classic hangover game (sure this is speculation, but I'm trusting my eyes).

[Spence]

I want to see the whole season play out, but I agree. If they win like they are supposed to win, I say give them a shot.

I know VT was better then the team that played James Madison, but there is no excuse to lose that game. These kids only get to play 12-14 games a year. You would think they could get up for all the games.

[donovan]

To me, this is the rub. Everyone wants the two best teams to play for this National Championship. But the system is so flawed there is no reasonable subjective or objective way to determine the two best teams. Do I think Boise is the third best or 5th best or even the 10th best team in the country...probably not. Do I think the system should rank them third or higher...absolutely...you can not penalize Boise for a flawed system and hold other teams to a different standard. This whole system is trying to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear, and I would think, especially on the Razorback's part, that the sow should be held the sacrosanct.

[Spence]

To me, this is the rub. Everyone wants the two best teams to play for this National Championship. But the system is so flawed there is no reasonable subjective or objective way to determine the two best teams. Do I think Boise is the third best or 5th best or even the 10th best team in the country...probably not. Do I think the system should rank them third or higher...absolutely...you can not penalize Boise for a flawed system and hold other teams to a different standard. This whole system is trying to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear, and I would think, especially on the Razorback's part, that the sow should be held the sacrosanct.

I agree completely. Until they put a system in place to compare all the teams fairly, then Boise State shouldn't be held back because of what conference they belong in. All 119 should have a chance to get into the game.