Boise State vs. Wyoming

[Grayghost]

If dealing with a playoff, then you must have confernce restructering on a regional basis, creating Ten 12 team conferences, all with conference championship games. Then you could take the 10 conference champions with 6 at large berths. Would there still be some that scream foul...yes. There will be cries of foul with any set-up...just look at NCAA basketball tournament.

As for the bowls, make them part of the playoff scenario from the get go. with 16 teams, 15 bowls could be part of the process, with the current BCS bowls rotating through the nat. champ. game. This would leave 18 unaligned bowls for other deserving schools. Yes, some would fall by the wayside. And in the end would probably go the way of the NIT...but hey, the NIT is still around.

This is not an advocation of a plan. Just what makes the most sense (to me anyway) if a playoff happens.

[Cane from the Bend]

Would there still be some that scream foul...yes. There will be cries of foul with any set-up...just look at NCAA basketball tournament.

If there are teams still crying foul, then you can't claim you made things satisfactory to everyone... and yet, that is the whole argument for the playoff in the first place.

That means, nothing was accomplished, except the expansion of complaining.

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Yeah, the NIT is still there... but for how long?

Do you really think the basketball bracket making room for 96 teams is just for show?

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[Cane from the Bend]

12 conference auto-ins + 6 @ large = 18 teams ... divided in half = 9 ...

Who then gets the bye? And how is that fair?

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[RazorHawk]

The NCAA says any playoff must have every conference champ. That isn't on the table from what I here and that has always been the resistance to it from the majors.

Rules can change. That would keep a football playoff from probably happening, so my guess would be that will change at some time.

[Grayghost]

12 conference auto-ins + 6 @ large = 18 teams ... divided in half = 9 ...

Who then gets the bye? And how is that fair?

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As for the NIT, I am actually suprised it is still around. The basketball tournamet going to 96 teams is...well...ridiculous.

As for your quote above, are you having 10 team conferences or 12. If 12 team conferences, then there would be 10 autobids...120 schools divided by 12 = 10 twelve team conferences, with 6 at large = 16 teams. It's only 18 if they are 10 team conferences, and if you go that way, just lower the at larges to 4. Hell, it's just math. But either way...yes, somebody screams...somewhere...I think I can hear the moaning wails of pain even now.

[Cane from the Bend]

The NCAA says any playoff must have every conference champ. That isn't on the table from what I here and that has always been the resistance to it from the majors.

Rules can change. That would keep a football playoff from probably happening, so my guess would be that will change at some time.

Not without changing the rule for every sport. And that is something the NCAA will not do.

As for the bowls, make them part of the playoff scenario from the get go. with 16 teams, 15 bowls could be part of the process, with the current BCS bowls rotating through the nat. champ. game.

The problem here is; some teams will get multiple bowl appearances, making it even more difficult for certain conferences to garner the kind of revenue lost, due to bowl cuts.

Not only does the little guy get the shaft by making it impossible to play for a championship... but they also find themselves backside out of post season $$$ .

The other thing that is keeping this as a negative...

Both, the Big 10 & Pac 10 are attempting to expand to 16 teams.

The are going to wait and see if the Big XII collapses, and then make their move.

It is also still possible for the Big XII to recover, though, I don't think that would stop the Big Ten and Pac 10 from expanding to 14.

The MAC is just about there... they only need to pick up one more nobody and they'll have their qualification.

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[donovan]

There is another way to approach this...and it has proven models....do what High School Football does.....(again the disclaimer...I think this is all lunacy.)

You use school size and stadium capacity. If you do not meet those requirements, then you don't get to compete in the Heavyweight Division. So you end up with a lot of schools that think they want to be in the fray...but...they have a championship at a different level. This bores me...but you get the idea...and if your team is not a large school, well...tough luck.

[silverfox]

The debate is always interesting. The solutions difficult.

In the meanwhile the game continues to play and will continue to evolve. Like all things in life it takes friction to get attention. That is the true call of the wild.

Here is an interesting article about how a Razorback and SEC fan has been converted into an entirely different thinking about how he views Boise State:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/471175-boise-state-broncos-the-background-and-what-drives-the-broncos

[donovan]

In the meanwhile the game continues to play and will continue to evolve.

Evolution is change without guidance. And although there is no antonym for evolution, college football has become like a rudderless ship in a storm tossed sea.

[Spence]

Evolution is change without guidance.

Absolutely

[Spence]

The NCAA says any playoff must have every conference champ. That isn't on the table from what I here and that has always been the resistance to it from the majors.

Rules can change. That would keep a football playoff from probably happening, so my guess would be that will change at some time.

They can change, but this has been the most consistent rule laid down by the NCAA. I would guess because the NCAA is guided by all of the presidents and not just the top 60 that comprise the major schools. I would think if the Bball tourney hasn't found a way to shake it, it isn't likely to happen for football. We will see, it is coming.

[Derek]

The debate is always interesting. The solutions difficult.

In the meanwhile the game continues to play and will continue to evolve. Like all things in life it takes friction to get attention. That is the true call of the wild.

Here is an interesting article about how a Razorback and SEC fan has been converted into an entirely different thinking about how he views Boise State:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/471175-boise-state-broncos-the-background-and-what-drives-the-broncos

The article left out the season opener in 2005.

[billybud]

Actually evolution has the utmost guidance...survival.

In an adapt or die scenario, evolution is forced by "what works" and what doesn't dies out.

Like Blockbusters, that darling stock of twenty years ago, now filing for Chapter 11. Failure to evolve as fast as technology changed made them prey to quicker evolving predators like Redbox, Netflix, etc.

College football is bringing in record viewers, record monies. That will drive future evolution. There will always be "haves and have nots". The list of who is a "have" will evolve, but there will always be teams without a lot of national appeal.

[donovan]

Actually evolution has the utmost guidance...survival.

In an adapt or die scenario, evolution is forced by "what works" and what doesn't dies out.

Like Blockbusters, that darling stock of twenty years ago, now filing for Chapter 11. Failure to evolve as fast as technology changed made them prey to quicker evolving predators like Redbox, Netflix, etc.

College football is bringing in record viewers, record monies. That will drive future evolution. There will always be "haves and have nots". The list of who is a "have" will evolve, but there will always be teams without a lot of national appeal.

Well maybe in religion or non-religion or some frame of reference...but in science, it is defined "without guidance." That is why I do not believe in evolution, especially in college football...because we get what we have now.

[billybud]

Actually Donovan...the "without guidance" term is a code scientists and others use for meaning "without guidance from a deity". It is a counter to "intelligent design" theory.

If not for religion, you would not have the term "evolution without guidance" since it is, in its essence, referencing the play (or actually non-play) of a supreme being in evolution.