Boise State vs. Wyoming

[silverfox]

Who would have thought that today's chicken could be a direct descendant to Tyrannosaurus?

So where does that leave the BCS? Obviously a dinosaur.

If there ever was a playoff has anyone ever thought of double elimination?

Just another way to extend the season to maybe 12 months a year so we can all wallow in the murk of prehistoric memorabilia ....

[donovan]

Actually Donovan...the "without guidance" term is a code scientists and others use for meaning "without guidance from a deity". It is a counter to "intelligent design" theory.

If not for religion, you would not have the term "evolution without guidance" since it is, in its essence, referencing the play (or actually non-play) of a supreme being in evolution.

Not worth the argument.....in biology there are many types of evolution and none are defined with Deity in mind on either side of the stick...Once again..just erase my prattling.... There must be a movie at Netflix that would enlighten us all.

Off to the land of blue turf.....

[Spence]

I do believe in evolution - at least natural selection - but I choose to believe that evolution is the machine that God used to shape this world. Of course, I believe that if it happens God makes it happen. The what, when, how, and why is science, the rest is faith. I don't have a problem with science or the scientific method. It is what it is and God made it that way.

[Derek]

I do believe in evolution - at least natural selection - but I choose to believe that evolution is the machine that God used to shape this world. Of course, I believe that if it happens God makes it happen. The what, when, how, and why is science, the rest is faith. I don't have a problem with science or the scientific method. It is what it is and God made it that way.

Although I agree with you "in principle"...The Bible is very clear about how man was created.

I do have a problem with some sciencetest using "Science" as a tool to disprove God, and in the end, only show their incredible anger at some point in their life at God. Don't believe me, look at that guy who wrote the book "the God delusion"....that is one angry dude.

Somewhere along the line, he was hurt pretty bad by someone...don't know who or how...just saying.

Some people want "proof" that their is a God, and there is no "Scientific" proof that there is...it's an act of faith. The scientific method is simply a process designed to come to a solid conclusion. It's been twisted by these goobers that claim to be scientist.

But back to topic....Boise is gonna lose to OSU. (That should bring donovan out of the woodwork)

[billybud]

I knew better than to possibly open this window.

But Derek is right...there is faith and there is science.

If you believe, you believe. And all the science, genome identification, etc. means nothing to your belief.

I find science interesting and am unbound by any "need" for it to say any one thing or another that agrees with religious beliefs, say for instance, the bible.

I do find that there are interesting questions raised by science. We now know that those of us of Eurasian ancestry are different than those of African ancestry. We, of european or asian ancestry, share between 1 and 4% of our genes with Neanderthals. We are a mixed breed to a small extent. Africans do not have Neanderthal genes in their genome. We of european ancestry have genes from a non-modern human genome in our genome.

Now the question? Was Adam human? Were Neanderthals (with their art, burial of dead, etc.) human? If Adam was a Neanderthal, Africans are not in Adam's line. If Adam was out of Africa, than we of european descent carry genes not from Adam's line.

Fun to think about...unless religious beliefs stop you from thinking.

[Spence]

I knew better than to possibly open this window.

But Derek is right...there is faith and there is science.

If you believe, you believe. And all the science, genome identification, etc. means nothing to your belief.

I find science interesting and am unbound by any "need" for it to say any one thing or another that agrees with religious beliefs, say for instance, the bible.

I do find that there are interesting questions raised by science. We now know that those of us of Eurasian ancestry are different than those of African ancestry. We, of european or asian ancestry, share between 1 and 4% of our genes with Neanderthals. We are a mixed breed to a small extent. Africans do not have Neanderthal genes in their genome. We of european ancestry have genes from a non-modern human genome in our genome.

Now the question? Was Adam human? Were Neanderthals (with their art, burial of dead, etc.) human? If Adam was a Neanderthal, Africans are not in Adam's line. If Adam was out of Africa, than we of european descent carry genes not from Adam's line.

Fun to think about...unless religious beliefs stop you from thinking.

No problem with opening the window. I am not a preacher and I don't pretend to have any spiritual answers. I just have faith. My belief is that ; if it happened - god made it happen. I'm not going to change my mind and I am not going to try and change yours. If you ask I will tell you what I believe, but the whole spiritual world thing and such, to me is completely a matter of faith. Whether it is right or whether it isn't, isn't a matter of debate for me. I am pretty closed minded on the subject and I admit that.


If Adam came from the neanderthal line, well I have heard there is some evidence that the two families mixed at some point, then God made that happen. I believe more in God than I do in a specific religion. I don't care what the argument happens to be, I have faith that God made it happen, period. That is as much as you will ever hear me say about spirituality.

[billybud]

Spence...you and I share a very similar belief.

Less dogmatic than most and very fundamental in basis.

[Spence]

Spence...you and I share a very similar belief.

Less dogmatic than most and very fundamental in basis.

I think to believe in the existance of a higher being, you also have to accept that one plus one equal two. I do believe that science and faith can and do work hand in hand.

[WoVeU]

Evolution has more holes than a colander on the grand scheme. (Genetics research of late has shed evidence that there was no need at all for mutations to explain the jumps that already hindered the realistic likelihood of the theory.) Scientist are no different than Theologians, both are men. And when they can't full know something their mind immediately tries to look at the evidence they do have and fill in. The bad science of claiming the Earth to be flat, and the bad theology that the end of the world was set for 1000, 1984, or Jan 1, 2000 all come form the same human urges regarding knowledge and self-identity.

I looked for a while into the Neanderthal - Genesis link with findings in France. Very hard to say!

Let me remind that Adam was not the 1st man....absolutely not, the Bible makes no such claim. Man as a species was created on the 6th day, Adam on the 8th day. And I am not putting forth a race thing at all, like some other idiots have uttered, God loves all men, if he can love my stupid-clown-@55 he must love everybody else too! The first Adam was made from "the dust of the Earth"...dust would be a pretty good term to use for the smallest Earthly/Flesh particles 5 to 12 thousand years ago. And the Hebraic word more finitely translated as curve, taken to be referencing "rib" 350 years ago, could in today's scientific knowledge if the Torah was being translated for the first time, would very have likely shown up in the Queen Elizabeth Bible as "helix curve"...or..."DNA."

So much we don't know, everyday I watch technicians, managers, engineers and leaders make the monumental mistake of setting forth a claim of knowledge, often because, "they measured" something. The moment you measure something you change the universal condition, we can reduce this but we can not eliminate. The harder, further, or smaller the thing we seek to measure the harder this becomes. I g have grown tired of drivel about something 20, 200, and 2000 lightyears away. I grow tired of hearing of some element that existed for 1/1000000000000 of a second in a lab, I grow tired of Higgs-Boson updates from the latest research using some huge 88Jiga-Watt particle accelerator.
Men looking for fame, just men looking to live forever. Just men having hold of something another doesn't have. A man looking for greenbacks, same as the greasy haired preacher passing the plate and "giving answers" to the peons and plaudits he has surrounded himself with.

I like my circa 2000 Fluke Meter and a good old voltage or current reading that only has .001% error and gives me something I can use. Or the simple reading of a Proverb that gives me something I can use. Both usually tell me, "Keith, you still don't know spit!" As long as I know that, I know a whole lot....and I can get about my day and see if I can't get something did!

[Spence]

I believe God made whatever happened happen. So that means I believe in creationism. I just don't limit it. The creationist museum is is Cincinnati. It shows men and dinosaurs walked together. The science just doesn't back that up. I don't need to ignore science to believe in creation.

I do believe that nothing as complex as this universe could be random. That requires a more unbelievable leap of faith IMO.

[Eric]

Evolution has more holes than a colander on the grand scheme. (Genetics research of late has shed evidence that there was no need at all for mutations to explain the jumps that already hindered the realistic likelihood of the theory.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_for_evolution

[Brian Roastbeef]

I believe God made whatever happened happen. So that means I believe in creationism. I just don't limit it. The creationist museum is is Cincinnati. It shows men and dinosaurs walked together. The science just doesn't back that up. I don't need to ignore science to believe in creation.

I do believe that nothing as complex as this universe could be random. That requires a more unbelievable leap of faith IMO.

Evolution has more holes than a colander on the grand scheme. (Genetics research of late has shed evidence that there was no need at all for mutations to explain the jumps that already hindered the realistic likelihood of the theory.) Scientist are no different than Theologians, both are men. And when they can't full know something their mind immediately tries to look at the evidence they do have and fill in. The bad science of claiming the Earth to be flat, and the bad theology that the end of the world was set for 1000, 1984, or Jan 1, 2000 all come form the same human urges regarding knowledge and self-identity.

I looked for a while into the Neanderthal - Genesis link with findings in France. Very hard to say!

Let me remind that Adam was not the 1st man....absolutely not, the Bible makes no such claim. Man as a species was created on the 6th day, Adam on the 8th day. And I am not putting forth a race thing at all, like some other idiots have uttered, God loves all men, if he can love my stupid-clown-@55 he must love everybody else too! The first Adam was made from "the dust of the Earth"...dust would be a pretty good term to use for the smallest Earthly/Flesh particles 5 to 12 thousand years ago. And the Hebraic word more finitely translated as curve, taken to be referencing "rib" 350 years ago, could in today's scientific knowledge if the Torah was being translated for the first time, would very have likely shown up in the Queen Elizabeth Bible as "helix curve"...or..."DNA."

So much we don't know, everyday I watch technicians, managers, engineers and leaders make the monumental mistake of setting forth a claim of knowledge, often because, "they measured" something. The moment you measure something you change the universal condition, we can reduce this but we can not eliminate. The harder, further, or smaller the thing we seek to measure the harder this becomes. I g have grown tired of drivel about something 20, 200, and 2000 lightyears away. I grow tired of hearing of some element that existed for 1/1000000000000 of a second in a lab, I grow tired of Higgs-Boson updates from the latest research using some huge 88Jiga-Watt particle accelerator.
Men looking for fame, just men looking to live forever. Just men having hold of something another doesn't have. A man looking for greenbacks, same as the greasy haired preacher passing the plate and "giving answers" to the peons and plaudits he has surrounded himself with.

I like my circa 2000 Fluke Meter and a good old voltage or current reading that only has .001% error and gives me something I can use. Or the simple reading of a Proverb that gives me something I can use. Both usually tell me, "Keith, you still don't know spit!" As long as I know that, I know a whole lot....and I can get about my day and see if I can't get something did!

I didn't expect to see this upon clicking the "Boise State vs. Wyoming" thread, but I generally agree with Spence and definitely agree with WoVeU. I believe that God created the universe, the Earth, and its creatures. I do not believe in evolution, but I do believe that science must not be ignored when dealing with the question. St. Augustine stated that science and Scripture can be reconciled, and that those who use Scripture to counter a fact of nature, only show that they understand neither the Scripture nor the nature.

This means, that although I do believe in the Creation, I do not believe that the Earth is only six thousand years old, but billions of years old. My Pastor teaches similarly, and even will occasionally bring out a fossil or two to back up his argument. God created the earth to be lived upon, ages ago. It then became (not was, but became - a different word in the Hebrew) void and without form. This was the katabole, the fall of Satan well before the time of the creation of man, and the man Adam thousands of years ago...

Anyway, don't know how you got down this road, but I expect I just sent you a little farther astray along it.

[Spence]

We tend to stroll down a path with lots of twists and turns.

[Derek]

Let me repeat my assertion that OSU is going to upend the polls.

[Spence]

Nice win for the Broncos.