Villanova Invites BE Football to join them in FCS

[Spence]

Shoot...Ohio State played FSU in a wide spread of years (not including just FSU's dynasty years)...and lost.

Nothing makes me think that Ohio State would have beaten FSU more times than not. They didn't before FSU had their dynasty run ...and didn't during that run...and, in fact, lost by 9, by 17, and by 17 again.

But then again, I admittedly have a jauniced view of the Big Ten...

Florida State never played Ohio State before 1982. No way Florida State beats Ohio State more then once or twice max between 1947- 1968. In the 70 Ohio State would have done better in the first half of the decade and Florda State would probably got the nod in the last half, but the decade would have been close. 80's and 90's for sure would have been dominated by Florida State. Florida State probably wouldn't have scored on Ohio State between 1947 and 1960, but no chance Florida State doesn't get dominated those years. Unfortunately, Florida State rarely poked their head above Tennessee in those early years, but when they did they got beat by the likes of William and Mary, Syracuse, and Wyoming. Syracuse was pretty good back then, though.

[Spence]

The Big 10's all time record against all Division I-A Conferences
(denotes teams that currently play in the conference)

Conference
Win Loss Tie
Atlantic Coast Conference
177-103-5


Big 12 Conference
315-219-21

Big East Conference
334-153-19

Also considering that Ohio State is 447-188-26 in the B-10, there good reason to believe that Ohio State wasn't riding on the B-10's coat-tails.

Conference USA
76-19-3

Division I-A Independent
178-268- 21

Mid-American Conference
312-49-8

Mountain West Conference
69-31-5

Pacific-10 Conference
271-260-13

Southeastern Conference
97-91-7

Sun Belt Conference
23-1-0

Western Athletic Conference
39-14=0

Lots of teams in the Big 10 are loaded with Ohio players.

[billybud]

Heck...FSU was hardly playing football in 47-62. Into the 50's, FSU was still playing teams like Whiting Field (a Navy Base).

I wasn't going back 50 years...before the Bowden era of 36 years ago is a reach for me. FSU in the mid 70's was a bad team. FSU was undefeated in regular season in 1979 and was pretty competitive from then on.

But FSU would have been competitive in some of the 60's.....in 1967 FSU did beat Bama (who finished #7 UPI and FSU finished #15)...and FSU finished in UPI in 1964 and 1968.

From 1979 on...I think FSU would have given OSU a run for their money regardless of the yearly record. Kind of like 2005 and the PSU game.

I really think that OSU had had a problem matching up with speed defenses in the SEC. And that was a strong point for FSU.

[billybud]

FSU's record the last 30 years....

BIG Ten...8-2-0
Wins over Michigan State, Michigan State, Ohio State, Ohio State, Ohio State, Michigan, Wisconsin, Indiana...losses to Michigan, Penn State

Big 12...5-2-0....FSU has lost to Oklahoma 2X

PAC 10....5-0....wins over USC, USC, UCLA, Arizona St., Arizona St.

MWC....3-0

SEC....24-25

[Spence]

Heck...FSU was hardly playing football in 47-62. Into the 50's, FSU was still playing teams like Whiting Field (a Navy Base).

I wasn't going back 50 years...before the Bowden era of 36 years ago is a reach for me. FSU in the mid 70's was a bad team. FSU was undefeated in regular season in 1979 and was pretty competitive from then on.

But FSU would have been competitive in some of the 60's.....in 1967 FSU did beat Bama (who finished #7 UPI and FSU finished #15)...and FSU finished in UPI in 1964 and 1968.

From 1979 on...I think FSU would have given OSU a run for their money regardless of the yearly record. Kind of like 2005 and the PSU game.

I really think that OSU had had a problem matching up with speed defenses in the SEC. And that was a strong point for FSU.

Ohio State didn't have any sort of over all speed problems. They had real speed issues on the lines and that caused problems against the southern teams including Florida State, but over all the Big 10 teams did pretty good all those years against the SEC and the ACC so that blows the latitude argument to pieces.


Contrary to what you believe, college football was played all over the US prior to 1979 and Ohio State was pretty good for decades. Your reference came at a time when Florida State was good and Ohio State was just decent. And although the 2005 match up with Penn State was close, Penn State. the favorite won the game. I think Florida State came in wanting to prove something, Penn State was in a bowl game. Florida State was also playing pretty close to home. But that is usually the case with B-10 teams. We travel to play 1000 miles from home - minimum to play bowl games. We are the only conference that regularly does that.

[Eric]

Iowa's speed was evident last year in the Orange Bowl when their receivers were running circles around Georgia Tech's defensive backs. The hulking linebackers were tracking down the Georgia Tech running backs all day and were breathing down Nesbitt's neck all day. Totally shut them down. And Penn State's defense was flying all over the field against LSU holding them to roughly 200 yards and stripping the ball loose twice to go with another pick. Northwestern (who is known for their prime athletic talent) zipped past Auburn's defense to a tune of 543 yards passing, even though they did lose thanks to 5 Kafka INTs. Too much Big 10 speed was put on display during the bowl games last season.

Coincidence? I think not. The answer is geography, as being fed by Midwestern corn/wheat unlocks the right chemical balance to grow up very healthy and very fast

/reciprocal sarcasm

[billybud]

Just trying to get something going other than Boise talk..

Otherwise..I have to spend time on my other site.

The Big Ten has tried to evolve its game to compete. We no longer recruit just regionally as we did 30 years ago. Football evolves...

Teams didn't know what to do with FSU's passing game 30 years ago, now everybody passes (except Navy and GT). When Charley Ward ran the no huddle spread, it was novel. Defenses now defend it every day.

It is fun to have lived long enough to have a long view of football.

[Spence]

Passing is a big part of the game now, but even in today's offenses - you must have a good running to beat good teams. Without it you can't win the big one.

[billybud]

Miami is almost 500 miles from Tallahassee. About as close as Madison is to Columbus...and in the territory of our arch rival.

I find it interesting that both FSU and OSU hold their arch rivals the closest...Florida is FSU's closest opposition at approx. 150 miles while Michigan is 191 miles from Ann Arbor.

I

[ktffan]

The Big Easy is so bad...everyone hires all of their coaches. No conference has been raided like the Big East has in the last 3 or 4 years. They should take a vote from all of the FBS schools about replacing them with another conference or just simply toss them...and those who vote to do so can sign a contract to never hire one of the coaches from that scrubby conference.

So the Big Easy is down...what does that make Oklahoma? Who got 7 points from a terrible call that guaranteed them 7 points against Cincy...getting the ball 4 yards from the end-zone...priceless! Yeah WVU lost. Funny, I didn't see all of that SEC speed on the field in southern France the other night, the field of sponge. I did see a team without it's best O-lineman out and its 2 most potent players get injured. But hey, LSU won by such a wide margin, no wonder they moved up in the polls. I am sure nobody who thinks the Big Easy is lousy moved LSU up though. Way too much football knowledge here to do that.

What's noteworthy about these Big East coaches that get hired away is that they don't seem to have much success outside of the Big East.

[Eric]

The Big Easy is so bad...everyone hires all of their coaches. No conference has been raided like the Big East has in the last 3 or 4 years. They should take a vote from all of the FBS schools about replacing them with another conference or just simply toss them...and those who vote to do so can sign a contract to never hire one of the coaches from that scrubby conference.

So the Big Easy is down...what does that make Oklahoma? Who got 7 points from a terrible call that guaranteed them 7 points against Cincy...getting the ball 4 yards from the end-zone...priceless! Yeah WVU lost. Funny, I didn't see all of that SEC speed on the field in southern France the other night, the field of sponge. I did see a team without it's best O-lineman out and its 2 most potent players get injured. But hey, LSU won by such a wide margin, no wonder they moved up in the polls. I am sure nobody who thinks the Big Easy is lousy moved LSU up though. Way too much football knowledge here to do that.

What's noteworthy about these Big East coaches that get hired away is that they don't seem to have much success outside of the Big East.

Give Kelly time and Notre Dame will be the USC of the 2010's. Rich Rod is already starting at Michigan

Petrino at Arkansas may as well count as well.

[ktffan]

The Big Easy is so bad...everyone hires all of their coaches. No conference has been raided like the Big East has in the last 3 or 4 years. They should take a vote from all of the FBS schools about replacing them with another conference or just simply toss them...and those who vote to do so can sign a contract to never hire one of the coaches from that scrubby conference.

So the Big Easy is down...what does that make Oklahoma? Who got 7 points from a terrible call that guaranteed them 7 points against Cincy...getting the ball 4 yards from the end-zone...priceless! Yeah WVU lost. Funny, I didn't see all of that SEC speed on the field in southern France the other night, the field of sponge. I did see a team without it's best O-lineman out and its 2 most potent players get injured. But hey, LSU won by such a wide margin, no wonder they moved up in the polls. I am sure nobody who thinks the Big Easy is lousy moved LSU up though. Way too much football knowledge here to do that.

What's noteworthy about these Big East coaches that get hired away is that they don't seem to have much success outside of the Big East.

Give Kelly time and Notre Dame will be the USC of the 2010's. Rich Rod is already starting at Michigan

Petrino at Arkansas may as well count as well.

Here's to hoping.