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Re: SPEAKING OF THE BCS...

Postby Dossenator » Tue Oct 12, 2010 1:13 am

Spence wrote:I don't think that Boise State has been locked out either. I think that any team that wants to make into national championship position has to do it over more then one year. Because teams in CFB don't play their peers in other conferences you really can't take a team without a lot of history and put them in the game. I'm not saying this is a great way of doing it, but what else can they do. They are going to give the benefit of the doubt to someone that has done it over time or err on the side of what they know. I don't have a problem with that. I do have a problem with them playing TCU against Boise State last year in the BCS. They should have let them play one of the AQ teams and that would give everyone a better idea of where they are as a team.

Boise State will likely never be able to match the SOS of a top team in a major conference. They don't play in a major conference. They likely haven't been invited into one. They can't just call up the PAC 10 and say "we will be joining now." They are scheduling good programs in the OOC. They are traveling to play them. They have the right to schedule an OOC home game or two. If Ohio State won't come to Boise State and play - and they won't - then they can invite Toledo and keep their ticket receipts. Arkansas isn't going to play in Boise either - neither of those teams would duck Boise State. Ohio State will play anyone, but they won't travel unless it is a marquee game. That isn't Boise State's fault or Ohio State's. That is how the system works. So the only way a team like TCU or Boise State or Utah or whoever from an non AQ conference can make the game is to do the sort of thing Boise State is doing. No team is going to play 4 big games and play them all away from home, I don't think you can expect that.


I agree with everything you just said. So the only real solution is to try and find an AQ conference to join if you are Boise....that is if the goal is to play for a BCS NC. That is the whole reason Utah jumped ship to play in the Pac-10 (more revenue, better recruits, and a shot at the big game if you earn it on the field). Ark has played Boise twice this very decade but they simply can not afford to lose the money from a home game and travel to Boise (they have to pay for Petrino's salary some how...and they have to keep up with facility improvement if they want to compete in recruiting with the likes of Bama, Auburn, Florida, LSU, etc).
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Re: SPEAKING OF THE BCS...

Postby Spence » Tue Oct 12, 2010 1:20 am

The problem for Boise State is that it isn't so easy as to say I want to join the PAC 10 or B-12 or whoever. They have to be invited. Maybe they will, but then how do you deal with the next Boise State - and there will be one. Why not find a way to compare all teams or quit trying at all and give in to playoffs as Razor wants. I don't advocate play offs. I would rather go back to no championship game at all then have playoffs, but there has to be some way every team in the FBS can win a championship - otherwise the whole system is a farce. - I guess that is why it is mythical.
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Re: SPEAKING OF THE BCS...

Postby Spence » Tue Oct 12, 2010 1:22 am

I'm really not for "giving" any team anything, but I think you have to find a way to consider everyone. The guy who loses a couple in a very tough schedule as well as the guy who goes undefeated in an easy schedule and everyone inbetween.
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Re: SPEAKING OF THE BCS...

Postby Spence » Tue Oct 12, 2010 1:29 am

I guess we could have 6 -20 team conferences and go from there. Something tells me there would still be all the same arguments though. :wink:
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Re: SPEAKING OF THE BCS...

Postby Dossenator » Tue Oct 12, 2010 1:45 am

Spence wrote:I guess we could have 6 -20 team conferences and go from there. Something tells me there would still be all the same arguments though. :wink:


Probably so.
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Re: SPEAKING OF THE BCS...

Postby silverfox » Tue Oct 12, 2010 2:00 am

You can't please everybody all of the time.

There is no "perfect" system. That is why it is a game.

Boise does join the Mountain West next season -- but BYU and Utah bailed.

So now the MW will look more like the WAC.

It will take time but in time I think more and more people will at least respect the Broncos.
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Re: SPEAKING OF THE BCS...

Postby billybud » Tue Oct 12, 2010 6:01 am

I agree with Doss on this, as everyone knows.

My point is that a champion team should have a championship season. Beat some ranked teams to show that you are the best of the best. The reason why we have a BCS championship game was because of the the disgust over BYU being crowned while playing a "silly" schedule and playing a less than stellar team in the bowl game.

Boise is a good team...but they play a ridiculous schedule. Heck, I'd have FSU #1 on the Bronco's schedule..and Arkansas, and Bama, and South Carolina, and LSU, and maybe even Temple..LOL.
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Re: SPEAKING OF THE BCS...

Postby donovan » Tue Oct 12, 2010 7:21 am

billybud wrote:I agree with Doss on this, as everyone knows.

My point is that a champion team should have a championship season. Beat some ranked teams to show that you are the best of the best. The reason why we have a BCS championship game was because of the the disgust over BYU being crowned while playing a "silly" schedule and playing a less than stellar team in the bowl game.

Boise is a good team...but they play a ridiculous schedule. Heck, I'd have FSU #1 on the Bronco's schedule..and Arkansas, and Bama, and South Carolina, and LSU, and maybe even Temple..LOL.


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Re: SPEAKING OF THE BCS...

Postby RazorHawk » Tue Oct 12, 2010 8:12 am

Dossenator wrote:If Boise gets in the title game with that schedule then I am done with college football.
Now, now Spence,,,,, err I mean Doss. Does this mean you will never set foot in Razorback stadium again? :D
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Re: SPEAKING OF THE BCS...

Postby RazorHawk » Tue Oct 12, 2010 8:15 am

donovan wrote:
billybud wrote:I agree with Doss on this, as everyone knows.

My point is that a champion team should have a championship season. Beat some ranked teams to show that you are the best of the best. The reason why we have a BCS championship game was because of the the disgust over BYU being crowned while playing a "silly" schedule and playing a less than stellar team in the bowl game.

Boise is a good team...but they play a ridiculous schedule. Heck, I'd have FSU #1 on the Bronco's schedule..and Arkansas, and Bama, and South Carolina, and LSU, and maybe even Temple..LOL.


To All That Take This Position: Then kick them out. Leave them off your polls. Quit saying one thing and when you have a chance to vote, do something different. You can not have Zion in one hand and Babylon in the other. Stand up and be counted.
Not sure how any of us on this message board can remove them from the BCS. Leaving them off our little polls will not keep them from appearing in the National Championship game.

I do have them ranked, but with their schedule, it would take every BCS team to have at least 2 or 3 losses for Boise State to be 1st or 2nd in my pool. They will continue to be in the top 10, even though this may be giving too much credit, but it is hard to gauge them based on their schedule.
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Re: SPEAKING OF THE BCS...

Postby Vileborg » Tue Oct 12, 2010 9:05 am

I know people are down on Boise St. but what dividends would a win over an Automatic qualifier and conference champion do to their stock? If Va Tech wins the ACC and Oregon St. wins the PAC-10 what do you do with Boise St.? Having wins over two AQ conference champions?

As a side note, congratulations to Boise St. for now having the longest winning streak in the country at 19.

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Re: SPEAKING OF THE BCS...

Postby Dossenator » Tue Oct 12, 2010 9:33 am

RazorHawk wrote:
Dossenator wrote:If Boise gets in the title game with that schedule then I am done with college football.
Now, now Spence,,,,, err I mean Doss. Does this mean you will never set foot in Razorback stadium again? :D


I would watch my Razorback games but I would be done with all the rest.
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Re: SPEAKING OF THE BCS...

Postby Spence » Tue Oct 12, 2010 10:10 am

RazorHawk wrote:
Dossenator wrote:If Boise gets in the title game with that schedule then I am done with college football.
Now, now Spence,,,,, err I mean Doss. Does this mean you will never set foot in Razorback stadium again? :D


Notice, I didn't try and talk him out of it. :wink: Still, though, a different situation. The only thing in that I can do to let Ohio State know that I am not happy that they let the conferences split up like that is not support them financially. Of course, my donations are a drop in the bucket to them, but if enough people did it. They would understand. The problem is enough people can't see the long term effect this will have on Ohio State.
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Re: SPEAKING OF THE BCS...

Postby RazorHawk » Tue Oct 12, 2010 11:03 am

Spence wrote:
RazorHawk wrote:
Dossenator wrote:If Boise gets in the title game with that schedule then I am done with college football.
Now, now Spence,,,,, err I mean Doss. Does this mean you will never set foot in Razorback stadium again? :D


Notice, I didn't try and talk him out of it. :wink: Still, though, a different situation. The only thing in that I can do to let Ohio State know that I am not happy that they let the conferences split up like that is not support them financially. Of course, my donations are a drop in the bucket to them, but if enough people did it. They would understand. The problem is enough people can't see the long term effect this will have on Ohio State.

I understand there is a big difference. I am just trying to stir up the pot. :twisted:
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Re: SPEAKING OF THE BCS...

Postby Spence » Tue Oct 12, 2010 11:06 am

Not a problem. I have been known to stir the pot a little myself. :lol:
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