ALL THESE WHAT IF'S...

[billybud]

I will ask, Choosea, how many end ranked teams did Boise play and beat?

An End Ranked Team (Coaches/AP) is the gold standard for a quality win. They average over 9 wins a season. No BCS Champion has ever been crowned with fewer than four wins over end ranked teams.

Any strong team can have a bunch of wins due to scheduling. But there is strong and there is proven strong. Walking through the MAC or WAC isn't like walking through the SEC West.

[silverfox]

This could be a unique season due to parity of football talent.

I still say lots of season left. Anything can happen.

Most teams have some powderpuff on their schedule so don't blame Boise State...

Boise State can lose to San Jose State, right?

Then what happens? Everybody goes back to the old standards... the institutional mainstream that created this mess in the first place...

If the WAC was an AQ conference this discussion would take on a different tone...

The WAC is not all that bad when you consider BSU, Hawaii, Nevada, Fresno State -- 4 teams that can take anyone to the mat on a given day...yet considered weak cuz of the bottom three teams... Look at the other AQ conferences and see who the bottom three are... really? In this case Choosea's idea starts to look reasonable... What say you?

[billybud]

BYU is 0-4 against FSU (my personal experience says BYU was not close).

The teams now in the WAC, during the last ten seasons, have won 8% (7-80) against BCS teams End Year ranked. Half of those wins were from Boise who is 4-4 (.500).

Hawaii, in ten years, has never beaten a BCS team that was end year ranked....neither has Nevada.

[silverfox]

BYU is 0-4 against FSU (my personal experience says BYU was not close).

The teams now in the WAC, during the last ten seasons, have won 8% (7-80) against BCS teams End Year ranked. Half of those wins were from Boise who is 4-4 (.500).

Hawaii, in ten years, has never beaten a BCS team that was end year ranked....neither has Nevada.

Interesting. How many times would you say Boise State was end year ranked, say out of the past 5 years?

[billybud]

What would that have to do with Boise's schedule? I answered your relevant questions.

This one is nonsense..or an attempt at chest beating.

Boise has been end ranked while having one of the worst SOS's of end ranked teams.

[RazorHawk]

What would that have to do with Boise's schedule? I answered your relevant questions.

This one is nonsense..or an attempt at chest beating.

Boise has been end ranked while having one of the worst SOS's of end ranked teams.

Which supports the argument that a rankings favor W/L record over strength of schedule. They will probably be ranked in the top 20 forever, unless their scheduling changes or they wind up in a major conference. I understand the school with their small stadium and small TV market does not fit the Pac 10, so this probably will not happen.

Boise State is in a difficult situation for gaining national prominence. I don't think there is a BCS conference that would want them with what they have to offer, so there only chance would be to play 4 BCS opponents each year. Of course that can be easier said than done, particularly if you require a large guarantee and or a home and home matchup.

Arkansas did play them home and home, and I would suspect that was only done because Houston Nutt wanted it.

[Derek]

What would that have to do with Boise's schedule? I answered your relevant questions.

This one is nonsense..or an attempt at chest beating.

Boise has been end ranked while having one of the worst SOS's of end ranked teams.

Which supports the argument that a rankings favor W/L record over strength of schedule. They will probably be ranked in the top 20 forever, unless their scheduling changes or they wind up in a major conference. I understand the school with their small stadium and small TV market does not fit the Pac 10, so this probably will not happen.

Boise State is in a difficult situation for gaining national prominence. I don't think there is a BCS conference that would want them with what they have to offer, so there only chance would be to play 4 BCS opponents each year. Of course that can be easier said than done, particularly if you require a large guarantee and or a home and home matchup.

Arkansas did play them home and home, and I would suspect that was only done because Houston Nutt wanted it.

Georgia played them at home. The outcome was not pretty.

[Derek]

I need this last post translated into a format that a Georgia fan can understand.

[Spence]

What do you mean by indirect record? I'm trying to understand your data.

[Spence]

By indirect record do you mean the opponents record? .....And Derek... I feel the same way. I need something a Buckeye fan can understand.

[donovan]

By indirect record do you mean the opponents record? .....And Derek... I feel the same way. I need something a Buckeye fan can understand.

In Boise....we just talk in wins and losses....hmm...well we don't at this point understand the latter all that well.

[Spence]

Most Buckeye fans only talk wins. We swear and throw things after losses.

[WoVeU]

Indirect wins are amassed by crediting Boise or TCU with the wins accumulated by the teams they have beaten. Indirect x2 extends this out one more iteration.
They have no indirect losses or indirect x2 losses as neither has lost yet. If Boise St. would have lost to Oregon St. they would also pick-up indirect losses by the teams that have beaten Oregon State. And indirect x2 losses again by teams that beat the team that beat Oregon St..

If you are asking, "what about" counting the losses by Boise State's opponents. This would be conflicting logic. You accumulate the win mass and the loss mass, then subtract the loss mass from the win mass. (You can also weight the indirect and indirect x2 wins and losses.) While team A beating B and team B beating team C does not really mean team A can surely beat team C, it presupposes this as base criteria to form the mass. But the reverse case is taken as well for losses.

(Some would try to argue the value of this formulation, but when you apply extrapolation to the extreme for logical check you quickly see...relatively known cases show the method has merit. The relatively known case being like the ranked #1 team's mass against the #20 ranked teams mass. And 20' against 50's....etc...)

[WoVeU]

Sorry, I should note my post is really an assumption. I only referenced "indirect" to be sure it was the case I supposed. So, I could be very wrong...but I doubt it.