SPEAKING OF THE BCS...

[donovan]

If Boise gets in the title game with that schedule then I am done with college football.

Now, now Spence,,,,, err I mean Doss. Does this mean you will never set foot in Razorback stadium again?

I would watch my Razorback games but I would be done with all the rest.

Doss, et al. I want you to know that I do not think you have a vendetta against Boise, TCU, etc. I do get your point. Why should Conferences with tough schedules have to climb the ladder while the Boise's of the world get to use the handicap ramp? And I agree that is what happens. This is not Boise's fault, nor TCU's, or even James Madison's. It about the system. Most people are disinterested in the Boise's. I am disinterested in most East Coast football. I go to West Coast games, follow those teams and have several favorites and a lot more bias; for reasons that vary and make sense only to me. In the word of one of your "favorite" leaders, "I feel your pain." What can be done about the inequities....not much, as long as college presidents continue to abdicate their responsibilities.

[Dossenator]

If Boise gets in the title game with that schedule then I am done with college football.

Now, now Spence,,,,, err I mean Doss. Does this mean you will never set foot in Razorback stadium again?

I would watch my Razorback games but I would be done with all the rest.

Doss, et al. I want you to know that I do not think you have a vendetta against Boise, TCU, etc. I do get your point. Why should Conferences with tough schedules have to climb the ladder while the Boise's of the world get to use the handicap ramp? And I agree that is what happens. This is not Boise's fault, nor TCU's, or even James Madison's. It about the system. Most people are disinterested in the Boise's. I am disinterested in most East Coast football. I go to West Coast games, follow those teams and have several favorites and a lot more bias; for reasons that vary and make sense only to me. In the word of one of your "favorite" leaders, "I feel your pain." What can be done about the inequities....not much, as long as college presidents continue to abdicate their responsibilities.

You are correct that I don't have a vendetta against Boise. I believe Boise is a very good team. I also agree with everything you wrote above.

[Spence]

I agree, but there has to be a way to rank teams fairly. Boise State and TCU should have the same chance as Arkansas and Ohio State. Not a better chance, not a worse chance. The same chance.

[silverfox]

I know people are down on Boise St. but what dividends would a win over an Automatic qualifier and conference champion do to their stock? If Va Tech wins the ACC and Oregon St. wins the PAC-10 what do you do with Boise St.? Having wins over two AQ conference champions?

As a side note, congratulations to Boise St. for now having the longest winning streak in the country at 19.

I noticed no one touched this. Interesting logic and a real possibility.

[silverfox]

I see you put a lot of thought into your posts.

[billybud]

Opponents records mean little when you count just "wins/losses". In that system, a win in the SEC West over LSU or Arkansas counts the same as a win in the WAC against New Mexico.

Without a "value" attached to the quality of the win, you have the "Hawaii scenario". Where a team wins 12 games against weak competition (one top 30 win) but does not really compare to a team like 10-2 Georgia, who murdered them.

I like looking at "who did you beat"...How many teams currently ranked? How many teams in Sagarin's Top 30.

[silverfox]

Opponents records mean little when you count just "wins/losses". In that system, a win in the SEC West over LSU or Arkansas counts the same as a win in the WAC against New Mexico.

Without a "value" attached to the quality of the win, you have the "Hawaii scenario". Where a team wins 12 games against weak competition (one top 30 win) but does not really compare to a team like 10-2 Georgia, who murdered them.

I like looking at "who did you beat"...How many teams currently ranked? How many teams in Sagarin's Top 30.

Absolutely and thats why Boise State Shocked the Sooners in the Fiesta...And don't come back with some lame excuse about trickery cuz if the sooners would have been that good that year they would have been prepared for anything the Broncs threw at them since they are bottom feeders and all...Well bottom feeders can be predators to if you are not looking for them or discounting their ability. Think about it...

Let the season play out and let Boise State have their due and if they win they win and if they lose then I guess they are not lesser than an alabama who lost to the lowly South Carolina team... c'mon -- its football -- its only a game... and that is why we are all so hooked on it because it is so unpredictable...

My family is better than your family because they shop at Macy's and your family shops at WalMart argument doesn't fly in the world of real football. There are those who are inside of the box try to keep it inside of the box but you got to get out of the box to see the whole picture to digest it...

[silverfox]

I know people are down on Boise St. but what dividends would a win over an Automatic qualifier and conference champion do to their stock? If Va Tech wins the ACC and Oregon St. wins the PAC-10 what do you do with Boise St.? Having wins over two AQ conference champions?

As a side note, congratulations to Boise St. for now having the longest winning streak in the country at 19.

I noticed no one touched this. Interesting logic and a real possibility.

I still see this post being ignored... why? Vileborg asks a logical and legitimate question.

Billybud -- how many of those national champions actually beat 4 end-ranked teams you constantly refer to were wins over conference champions? huh? I would like to know...just because I am curious...cuz doesn't your thesis depend on end of year strength... How many of those NC teams you refer to actually beat at least two AQ qualifying Conference Champions?

[Spence]

I think he said before that all of them had beaten four end rank teams. I didn't check, but I am pretty sure that is what he said.

[silverfox]

But were at least 2 or 50% of those end-ranked teams AQ qualifier conference Champions? That is my question since this was brought up.

[RazorHawk]

But were at least 2 or 50% of those end-ranked teams AQ qualifier conference Champions? That is my question since this was brought up.

I don't think that has ever happened and probably never will.

My guess is that probably no National Champion has ever had two AQ qualifiers on their schedule. It would almost require you to be an independent, such as Notre Dame for that possibility to even exist.

And yes, I realize that THE Boise State has played Oregon St and Virginia Tech.

[silverfox]

but vileborg's question postulated an interesting hypothosis. What if both teams win as he stated and what if Boise only has three and not four wins over end ranked teams. Would that not mean a more qualified NC since perhaps it has never happened before?

It is a question based upon a subjective statement that I think deserves an open answer. ok? My point is the season is only half over so why are we so set on who should and should not play based upon a presupposed assumption that the SEC has a better schedule and therefore those who do not play it are not worthy. I am an SEC fan and have been for years. Bama and LSU have always been my teams except for my alma mater. Now i am actually sickened by the prejudice. I turned away once before from this forum because of the partiality and prejudice but this time I am hanging in there because the system is broke and broke because of institutional bias.

[Spence]

Both teams won't win their conferences. Virginia Tech has a shot. Oregon State isn't going to beat Oregon this year. I don't no of a case where a non independent has every beated to conference champs in the regular season, though. I don't think it has happened in regular season play.

[RazorHawk]

but vileborg's question postulated an interesting hypothosis. What if both teams win as he stated and what if Boise only has three and not four wins over end ranked teams. Would that not mean a more qualified NC since perhaps it has never happened before?

Yes

[billybud]

Silverfox....Every BCS Champion has won at least four games against End Ranked (AP/Coaches) teams. Every BCS Champion that was from a conference with a championship game, has played five teams that were end ranked.



FSU, when winning their pre BCS 1993 Championship, beat the SEC Champ and the Big 12 Champ and 11-1 Notre Dame.