Boise State vs. Toledo

[Spence]

You don't know who the strongest conference. You can make an educated guess, though, which ones are good and which ones aren't good. Not that is has anything to do with who the best team is, but it even if the SEC is down, it is reasonable to assume they are a pretty good conference. If you look at out of conference wins - by conference - not by team - it will give you a better idea of who the strongest conferences are and who are not.

[silverfox]

it is all subjective based upon who plays whom based upon a preset contingency of bias...

[donovan]

You may not know who the strongest is, but you certainly can make a reasonable assumption that Big 10 is stronger than the CUSA.

HOWEVER....You certainly can know which conference is the most obnoxious.

[silverfox]

You may not know who the strongest is, but you certainly can make a reasonable assumption that Big 10 is stronger than the CUSA.

HOWEVER....You certainly can know which conference is the most obnoxious.

You are right and so sorry for lowering myself to that level of obnoxiousness... Im just very tired of closed minded thinking when it comes to football. No wonder Coach Petersen is able to run circles around the big boys when he plays them...cu he knows they are incapable of thinking outside of the box. something that College football lacks these days...

There are rumors out there -- and published -- that I don't subscribe to, that suggest VT threw the Madison game to discredit BSU. But if investigation ever proved it would be true the courts would put an end to the BCS as we know it.

[billybud]

LOL...what nonsense!

[Spence]

You may not know who the strongest is, but you certainly can make a reasonable assumption that Big 10 is stronger than the CUSA.

HOWEVER....You certainly can know which conference is the most obnoxious.

You are right and so sorry for lowering myself to that level of obnoxiousness... Im just very tired of closed minded thinking when it comes to football. No wonder Coach Petersen is able to run circles around the big boys when he plays them...cu he knows they are incapable of thinking outside of the box. something that College football lacks these days...

There are rumors out there -- and published -- that I don't subscribe to, that suggest VT threw the Madison game to discredit BSU. But if investigation ever proved it would be true the courts would put an end to the BCS as we know it.

VT didn't throw any game. No coach makes himself a laughing stock to discredit a team that beat them the week before. That is complete nonsense and anyone who buys into that is not wound that tight.

I think it is reasonable to buy into the fact that Boise State is a top 10 - top 5 team . I don't think it is reasonable to argue the WAC, CUSA, MAC, or Sun Belt as a group are stronger then any of the AQ conferences. Not even for a year - any year. Not saying it couldn't happen at some point, but it hasn't to this point ever.
You might be able to argue that the Mountain West has been better then a major conference for a year or two, but even that doesn't hold up for a decade. I don't think even trying to make that argument makes any sense nor do I think it needs to be made for people to believe Boise State is a good team.

Most people believe Boise State is a good team. I don't think anyone here - at least- would argue that. The ones that have a problem believe that Boise State gets a free ride - schedule wise - to get to the championship. Most AQ conferences have to play several tough games to get to a conference championship. To get to a national championship, they have to play at least one good team OOC and win their conference championship.
Boise State has to play a couple good OOC teams - which they have done - but they really don't have a tough conference schedule. That is fact it isn't subjective. I think what needs to be done is to find a way to compare teams fairly. Find a way to put teams from AC conferences and non AQ conferences on the same plain. We need to find a way to compare all teams equally. Of course that would hack people off more than this system. When a team loses two games and goes to the championship over two one loss and an undefeated team.

[Dossenator]

LOL...what nonsense!

I too laughed out loud...literraly. Talk about your consiracy theories. If Boise fans truly believe that Virginia Tech lost to James Madison on purpose then...well I don't know what to say...other than it's ridiculous. So I guess Boise fans believe that Bama lost to South Carolina to help Boise out...you know help clear a path to be ranked #1 in the first BCS standings.

[Dossenator]

You may not know who the strongest is, but you certainly can make a reasonable assumption that Big 10 is stronger than the CUSA.

HOWEVER....You certainly can know which conference is the most obnoxious.

You are right and so sorry for lowering myself to that level of obnoxiousness... Im just very tired of closed minded thinking when it comes to football. No wonder Coach Petersen is able to run circles around the big boys when he plays them...cu he knows they are incapable of thinking outside of the box. something that College football lacks these days...

There are rumors out there -- and published -- that I don't subscribe to, that suggest VT threw the Madison game to discredit BSU. But if investigation ever proved it would be true the courts would put an end to the BCS as we know it.

VT didn't throw any game. No coach makes himself a laughing stock to discredit a team that beat them the week before. That is complete nonsense and anyone who buys into that is not wound that tight.

I think it is reasonable to buy into the fact that Boise State is a top 10 - top 5 team . I don't think it is reasonable to argue the WAC, CUSA, MAC, or Sun Belt as a group are stronger then any of the AQ conferences. Not even for a year - any year. Not saying it couldn't happen at some point, but it hasn't to this point ever.
You might be able to argue that the Mountain West has been better then a major conference for a year or two, but even that doesn't hold up for a decade. I don't think even trying to make that argument makes any sense nor do I think it needs to be made for people to believe Boise State is a good team.

Most people believe Boise State is a good team. I don't think anyone here - at least- would argue that. The ones that have a problem believe that Boise State gets a free ride - schedule wise - to get to the championship. Most AQ conferences have to play several tough games to get to a conference championship. To get to a national championship, they have to play at least one good team OOC and win their conference championship.
Boise State has to play a couple good OOC teams - which they have done - but they really don't have a tough conference schedule. That is fact it isn't subjective. I think what needs to be done is to find a way to compare teams fairly. Find a way to put teams from AC conferences and non AQ conferences on the same plain. We need to find a way to compare all teams equally. Of course that would hack people off more than this system. When a team loses two games and goes to the championship over two one loss and an undefeated team.

Exactly!
And some AQ conferences not only have to go through a tough schedule but you then have to play in a conference championship game to win your conference. Which gives your team yet another top quality opponent on the schedule...and boosts both teams SOS.

[silverfox]

LOL...what nonsense!

I agree... but it makes about as much sense as many other theories thrown around and I didn't say it was a Boise State fan who said that -- actually a blog post from the East...

But makes no nevermind...right?

My Take on this season: Parity.

My advice? Take each week one at a time -- the teams do. Stop trying to predict on presuppositions and concentrate on what you see on a week by week basis. I believe this is a topsy turvy year.

And Further: Think outside of the box.

[Spence]

I haven't made up my mind who the best teams are this year yet. I don't by into the parity argument anymore then any season in the last ten. I do not think there are any outstanding teams out there this year. I think we have ten or twelve good teams, twenty or so average teams, and the rest. I guess you could argue parity on top.

[donovan]

LOL...what nonsense!

I too laughed out loud...literraly. Talk about your consiracy theories. If Boise fans truly believe that Virginia Tech lost to James Madison on purpose then...well I don't know what to say...other than it's ridiculous. So I guess Boise fans believe that Bama lost to South Carolina to help Boise out...you know help clear a path to be ranked #1 in the first BCS standings.

Utter nonsense...but how do you make the leap that it is Boise fans that suggest this? I think I have a semi reasonable pulse on the Boise fans and the street comments. I have never heard this. Are there screwy fans in Boise...certainly..they live in Boise so they do have that head start. Do most want them to play for all the marbles...certainly...but wanting them to play and believing they are one of the two best teams in the country is another subject. I bet Arkansas fans want their team to play in the NC......

[Spence]

Nothing wrong with wanting to play in the championship. I think something is wrong if you don't want to win at he highest level your talent takes you.

[RazorHawk]

I would love to see Arkansas or Iowa play in the National Championship game. I doubt if I will ever see it, as neither program can recruit the top players to win their respective conference. When only two teams get the opportunity, it really benefits the top teams like Florida, Alabama, Ohio St, Nebraska, USC and Texas. For most else the stars must align perfectly.

I think if and when a 16 team playoff arrives, there will be a better opportunity to achieve a National Championship.