Boise State vs. San Jose State

[donovan]

case in point:

"The Ducks are 20-8 in their last 28 games as a favorite of 10.5 points or greater."
covers.com

Probably they will lose a game of their remaining six...anyone who follows spreads already knows that.

You must challenge Bill Gates wealth then...such insight.

[billybud]

Boston College is still undefeated over the last 11 seasons when playing current non BCS schools...23-0 (it's the schedule stupid).

So is Florida...24-0
So is Auburn...27-0
So is FSU......15-0
So is Georgia...21-0
So is Miami...22-0
So is Ohio State...27-0

It's the schedule, stupid. Schedule 10 of these guys a year and two mid level BCS teams, and you are top 5 material.

[Cane from the Bend]

Except, 10 of those guys will land just about anybody 5 losses, minimum.

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[billybud]

But...those 10 don't all play each other. So that means nothing.

TCU isn't playing Boise...and who else is good?

No other non BCS team would be favored over a still rebuilding FSU.

[Cane from the Bend]

But...those 10 don't all play each other. So that means nothing.

TCU isn't playing Boise...and who else is good?

No other non BCS team would be favored over a still rebuilding FSU.

I don't know that I would favor Boise St over Fla State...

Who's the home team in this scenario?

If it's Boise, then fsu has them hands down... if fsu is @ home... well, then ???

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[billybud]

LOL....Home field disadvantage again!

[donovan]

Everyone here is so interested in going back in history and making some convoluted statement of team superiority. Fact is, Florida State has been playing Florida and Miami for many years, long before the BCS. So we can assume that scheduling was not for the purpose of SOS or any other acronym assuming the characteristic of a palindrome. So what was the motivation. I have not idea...but I would suggest...travel may be one...and more likely regionalism. Fans want to see close by schools of similar size compete. Rivalries form. Kids from towns choose one school and some others a different one. The fact that Florida has a bunch of powerhouses has nothing to do with it. So if this is historically the case...and if these are not the reason...suggest some ante-BCS, then let us know. That being the case...does anyone not believe all regions would like the same competition? You think BYU and Utah are not going to play each other regardless of affiliations? Boise is going to play Idaho, no matter what. The civil war will happen in Oregon. Pick an era. So all of this historical revision as to motivation and moral superiority is a bunch of hooey. (Now that some football trivia site has become this site's bible...someone that cares can look it up.)

[billybud]

Yeah regionalism is it. But not always.

Of course FSU just recently travelled to Oklahoma, Utah, Colorado...Miami to Oklahoma, Pittsburgh, Ohio...etc etc.

Some teams attempt to have some good interregional games. I give Boise credit for playing VT. That was a good call. And a necessary call for any consideration at all in the national picture.

[Cane from the Bend]

Everyone here is so interested in going back in history and making some convoluted statement of team superiority. Fact is, Florida State has been playing Florida and Miami for many years, long before the BCS. So we can assume that scheduling was not for the purpose of SOS or any other acronym assuming the characteristic of a palindrome. So what was the motivation. I have not idea...but I would suggest...travel may be one...and more likely regionalism. Fans want to see close by schools of similar size compete. Rivalries form. Kids from towns choose one school and some others a different one. The fact that Florida has a bunch of powerhouses has nothing to do with it. So if this is historically the case...and if these are not the reason...suggest some ante-BCS, then let us know. That being the case...does anyone not believe all regions would like the same competition? You think BYU and Utah are not going to play each other regardless of affiliations? Boise is going to play Idaho, no matter what. The civil war will happen in Oregon. Pick an era. So all of this historical revision as to motivation and moral superiority is a bunch of hooey. (Now that some football trivia site has become this site's bible...someone that cares can look it up.)

Well, then;

tell that to So Florida, who has recently petitioned the NCAA to get rid of, then dumped UCF from their yearly schedule, because, as they claimed, the rivalry with the Knights was holding them back, by weakening the USF SoS... and the Bulls, wanted to be taken seriously; in that, they want to be considered one of the top four Florida Power houses...

How's that working out for them, again?


Also, nd used to rotate with Indiana before the Hoosiers decided that football was more of a past time, and basketball was the sport of choice... once Indiana fell from being a regular decent opponent, the irish dropped `em for Purdue...


That is, both, recent & past history...


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[Spence]

I don't think he was trying to prove those records to be impressive.

[WoVeU]

I don't think he was trying to prove those records to be impressive.

Choose knows that. (First time in a while I have heard someone who recalls the titles for fallacies of argument better than me, but my CRS grows worse daily...care might even be dwindling faster.) He is saying the argument is inconsequential. Because the argument steps outside of logical comparison. Arguing whether team A is better than team B buy introducing data that says team C, D, E, F, etc. is equivalent to team B's...where you are to let your mind derive, "yeah, and we know team A is better than D through F." This is irrelevant...especially when C through F meets only general and essentially unspecified (in congruence) criteria in comparison to B. (Not to mention the magnitude might be off as much as the vector.)

*It is very common for people to argue in near total fallacy. One, because people aren't trained in logic or discourse. Secondly, it generally works...because in the end of all ends, it is extremely difficult to tell someone what they don't know (they think you are still "arguing.") But this is the world we live in, and why I said you can flush the bowl...everybody knows everything...so a center can not be found. Our congress and courts set in those fancy butt chairs everyday and don't follow the rules of argument and there is no person presiding to correct it. And it is now so common, you can not exterminate it.

And to be clear, I am not attackinng billybud at all. And BB is awfully sharp, "though even he knows this argument isn't direct...at least." Others would have thought this was the Gospel of arguments on thsi matter. (And also, billybud, may have also known everything said in counter to be true, but above all...knows it works.)

[WoVeU]

Amd I apologize choose if I stepped on your rug. But I got all excited by your disertation.

[Spence]

But by putting those records out there, Billybud's whole point was that they were inconsequential. He is saying that being undefeated against lots of non AQ conference schools isn't a big deal and has no bearing on how good a team may be. I agree with that, but I also think that a team who beats BCS and Non BCS schools for the better part of three years, maybe deserves a shot.

[Spence]

Billybud's point from the beginning of this was not how many teams you have beaten, but how many good teams have you beaten.

[Spence]

Well...it's not equal comparison...those 'big schools' just don't often play road games aginst non-AQ...Wisconsin went to UNLV on the road, while UNLV went on the road 3-4 times this season...it's common. Fresno St. did about the same (at Mississippi, etc.) And, these richer schools pay cash to have these weak or medicore teams come play them at home...follow the money, like what silverfox said.

It would be interesting what the spread would be for that Mississippi game, if it were played in Fresno. Home field advantage would be a 6-point swing, in general according to the computers, like CCR, but, maybe for these schools with very large stadiums, and a long travel time/distance, it would be more. Maybe Hawai'i always has more than a 3 point advantage, for example.

If these "richer" schools didn't pay the smaller schools to play them at home, they wouldn't have programs at all. Very few non AQ schools can generate the kind of money they need without support from the larger schools. Ohio State didn't pay Miami FL a dime to play them at home this year, Miami won't pay Ohio State anything next year for the return game. Those games generate big money for the schools. When Ohio State plays Eastern Michigan, that game doesn't generate near the money, but it gives Ohio State a home game they don't have to return so that is an automatic sell out home game, because Ohio State sells out every game.