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Re: sCam Newton

Postby donovan » Thu Nov 11, 2010 6:15 pm

Well..this seems to me to be the issue. If the NCAA knew about this in January, which Mississippi said they did. Then why did they not notify Auburn, when the kid was going to sign there were issues. And what did the NCAA think..the kid has put him self on the bidders block and he was going to another school gratis? The NCAA can not go free on this. Emmeret truly did a lot to clean up the UW program. Willingham certainly was a big part of that. He acted swiftly and directly...made some tough decisions...was not only the football program.....Well...he is now in charge of the NCAA and needs to do the same...
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Re: sCam Newton

Postby billybud » Thu Nov 11, 2010 6:40 pm

It appears that MSU notified the SEC which did notify the NCAA. The nCAA asked MSU for information and it took MSU six months to reply, which they finally did in July.

It appears that, some say on the urging of Urban Myer, that MSU's Bond called a NY Times reporter and told him the story in November...which blew it all up.
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Re: sCam Newton

Postby strawman » Thu Nov 11, 2010 8:25 pm

I should probably go change my pick to Georgia for this Saturday.
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Postby GoBoilers » Thu Nov 11, 2010 9:39 pm

about payola. I am afraid this problem is bigger than anyone or any of us want to admit. I am convinced some coaches are involved directly, some aren't involved but know, and some don't know and don't care about cheating, and some don't know but care. Either way I jokingly tell my friends on this board if your team is sucessful then there is cheating! The big question is how to deal with it! http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdo ... nfl-276421
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Re: sCam Newton

Postby Spence » Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:21 pm

I think no matter how deeply involved any of the teams in the country happen to be, that they should bring as much of it to light as they can and burn every single program they catch. It is past time that college football return to being an amatuer sport. I don't care who gets caught in the cross hairs.
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Re: sCam Newton

Postby Dossenator » Thu Nov 11, 2010 11:01 pm

I agree Spence even if it's my Hogs. Cheating can not be allowed.

The latest is that the NCAA may recommend Newton to sit out against Georgia while they determine if he eligible. Here is the story: http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/n ... nnext11110

Also, Donavan nailed it....why would a kid being shopped around go to Auburn for no pay. Cam wanted to go to Miss State and his father chose Auburn. I guess they clearly were the high bidders.
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Re: sCam Newton

Postby Spence » Thu Nov 11, 2010 11:21 pm

That the FBI is involved may blow the lid off all of this cheating. I hope the roll Rodgers for everything he knows and that they best every single school involved. No matter who it touches I hope they get them all.
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Re: sCam Newton

Postby Derek » Fri Nov 12, 2010 1:35 am

Just got through praying to the football gods that he is forced to sit it out on Saturday.... 8)

But here is another interesting question....IF he is NOT forced to sit out...and they win the rest of their games this year.

Do they deserve to go to the NCG like they normally would? Will this affect your ranking of Auburn?

Me? Yes, it will.
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Re: sCam Newton

Postby donovan » Fri Nov 12, 2010 4:42 am

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Re: sCam Newton

Postby RazorHawk » Fri Nov 12, 2010 6:31 am

Derek wrote:
But here is another interesting question....IF he is NOT forced to sit out...and they win the rest of their games this year.

Do they deserve to go to the NCG like they normally would? Will this affect your ranking of Auburn?

Me? Yes, it will.
If he is not forced to sit out, as he has not been proven guilty, and they win out, of course they should be in the NCG.

An No, this will not affect my ranking of Auburn.
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Re: sCam Newton

Postby donovan » Fri Nov 12, 2010 8:17 am

It will affect mine. Maybe an asterisk. It is one thing to have verdict first and then the trial and another to fix three years later. You think those schools that got the National Championship..or the Heisman by default years later get any of the benefit. This is sports..it is not much more. Throw the flag and assess the penalty. Heck, First the Verdict and then the Trial..
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Re: sCam Newton

Postby GoBoilers » Fri Nov 12, 2010 12:55 pm

1st if true, Newton's Dad went cheap, as a prior article opined. Shoulda gone for a million. That being said, the NCAA needs to be abolished and start over.
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Re: sCam Newton

Postby Spence » Fri Nov 12, 2010 2:22 pm

RazorHawk wrote:
Derek wrote:
But here is another interesting question....IF he is NOT forced to sit out...and they win the rest of their games this year.

Do they deserve to go to the NCG like they normally would? Will this affect your ranking of Auburn?

Me? Yes, it will.
If he is not forced to sit out, as he has not been proven guilty, and they win out, of course they should be in the NCG.

An No, this will not affect my ranking of Auburn.


I don't think it should, because no one knows if it is true. Allegations should be taken as fact. I also think if he deserved the Heisman that he should get it. That especially confounds me about the whole Reggie Bush thing. Voters thought Reggie Bush was the most outstanding player that year. Whether or not someone bought his mom and dad a house has nothing what-so-ever to do with what he did on the field. They can say rules were broken - and they were - you can take those games away if the school had knowledge or supported that behavior. But no matter what he did wrong, what he did on the field was honest. Same with Pete Rose. Pete cheated and he deserves to pay the price for what he did. On the other side of that, for baseball to try and pretend what he did on the field was part of what should be punished is wrong. If Rose doesn't belong in the hall, then neither does Babe Ruth, Ty Cobb, or Mickey Mantle - and the people who know their baseball history know why I compared these players.
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Re: sCam Newton

Postby Dossenator » Fri Nov 12, 2010 4:48 pm

All week the Auburn AD has said emphatically that Newton will play Saturday and that he is eligible to play. Today he said he has no comment on Newton's status. Sounds like to me that he very well could sit out of Sat game against Georgia. I guess this Kenny Rogers guy is meeting with the FBI on Tuesday. Cam Newton may very well never play a college football game again.

I hope they can resolve this situation within the next few weeks. I am with fanatic...the last thing college football needs is for Auburn to win it all (and then have to forfeit their wins) and for Newton to win the Heisman (and then have to return it).

If they resolve the situation within the next few weeks and Auburn has to forfeit their wins for this season then LSU, Miss State, and Arkansas are all in for the running to win the SEC West and play in the SEC Championship game in Atlanta.

Finding Newton and Auburn innocent actually helps Ark....if Auburn wins out and Ark wins out then Ark finishes #2 in the SEC with a great shot at playing in the Sugar Bowl. Actually if Auburn is found guilty and Ark wins out then they will get to play in the SEC championship game (and if they win would get the Sugar Bowl bid).

This is crazy stuff!
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Re: sCam Newton

Postby RazorHawk » Fri Nov 12, 2010 8:09 pm

Spence wrote:
RazorHawk wrote:
Derek wrote:
But here is another interesting question....IF he is NOT forced to sit out...and they win the rest of their games this year.

Do they deserve to go to the NCG like they normally would? Will this affect your ranking of Auburn?

Me? Yes, it will.
If he is not forced to sit out, as he has not been proven guilty, and they win out, of course they should be in the NCG.

An No, this will not affect my ranking of Auburn.


I don't think it should, because no one knows if it is true. Allegations should be taken as fact. I also think if he deserved the Heisman that he should get it. That especially confounds me about the whole Reggie Bush thing. Voters thought Reggie Bush was the most outstanding player that year. Whether or not someone bought his mom and dad a house has nothing what-so-ever to do with what he did on the field. They can say rules were broken - and they were - you can take those games away if the school had knowledge or supported that behavior. But no matter what he did wrong, what he did on the field was honest. Same with Pete Rose. Pete cheated and he deserves to pay the price for what he did. On the other side of that, for baseball to try and pretend what he did on the field was part of what should be punished is wrong. If Rose doesn't belong in the hall, then neither does Babe Ruth, Ty Cobb, or Mickey Mantle - and the people who know their baseball history know why I compared these players.


Did you mean that? I really don't think allegations should be taken as fact.
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