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Nebraska - A&M

Postby Spence » Mon Nov 22, 2010 11:13 pm

I am not one to complain about officials. I figure officials are human and they make mistakes. I can accept that. What I saw during the Nebraska game was completely one sided and gave the impression that the B-12 officials calling this game didn't want the team leaving the B-12 to be the defending champ. Nebraska had 16 penalties, 14 of which where judgment type calls. Seven were personal fouls. I have never seen a college game be called so obviously one sided. I don't have any emotional investment in Nebraska, I was just watching a football game. If anything Nebraska losing helps Ohio State so I had no bias in Nebraska's favor. I didn't have a rooting interest at all in this game. 16 penalties toree and the three calls where line offsides type penalties. It was the first time I ever thought the "fix" was in, in a college football game. It was so bad I think the FBI should investigate the game.
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Re: Nebraska - A&M

Postby Dossenator » Tue Nov 23, 2010 1:43 am

Spence wrote: I have never seen a college game be called so obviously one sided.


You are right that this game was badly called (and I think that is an understatement). No way it should have been 16 to 3 in penalties....Texas A&M committed more than 3 penalties and several of the Nebraska penalties were iffy at best.

A game that would rival it would be Arkansas vs Florida last year in the swamp. The officials were suspended several weeks after that game for their poor officiating (or cheating if you ask me). It was clear last year that the officials were told by someone to help Florida win that game. This years Arkansas vs Auburn game was pretty bad as well....spotting Auburn 14 points that they did not earn (hard to win games like that).
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Re: Nebraska - A&M

Postby Dossenator » Tue Nov 23, 2010 1:52 am

Also, what did you guys think about Pelini and how he treated his QB? I would be embarrassed to call him my coach. There is a difference between being a hard nosed tough guy and just being a plain...well you know what. If I was the QB's daddy I would have a little set down with coach. The story is when Martinez was injured he texted his dad in the locker room before an x-ray and then after the x-ray...Nebraska has a policy against that. Pelini was unhappy that Martinez wasted time getting out to play if he was able too. That's all fine and dandy...you can get on to the guy, you can even yell a little, you can punish him later, you can decide not to play him....but to verbally abuse him like he did (especially on national tv) was uncalled for. And poking his chest with his finger....man I would be livid. I am not sure I could have been as constrained as Martinez was. If anyone ever poked me in the chest like that...well that person would be looking for someone to reattach his finger.

The rumors were that Martinez quit the team. Pelini has come out and apologized and said Martinez is staying at Nebraska. The Nebraska chancellor spoke out against Pelini (he was referring to how he treated players and the refs), and fans are saying he embarrassed the state and the school. (http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-112 ... 4695.story)
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Re: Nebraska - A&M

Postby Spence » Tue Nov 23, 2010 2:00 am

I think cheating is as strong a word as you can use and I hate to use it, but the Nebraska game was especially bad - something I don't think I have ever seen. I was upset during the Ohio State Iowa game for several calls against Ohio State in the first half and early second half, thoughts of being homered always creep in, then the officials made some equally terrible calls that went against Iowa and one no call on an obvious interference that really hurt Iowa late. Had Ohio State not won that game, I would have had to watch it again with my blinders off to actually see that the crew is just bad not cheaters. That particular crew is the worst one in the B-10. Every time I see that crew chief at the beginning of a game, I cringe because I know there will be some really bad calls. I wish the B-10 would have a legit grading system and get rid of the bad officials. I can deal with a bad call here and there. Even if it costs my team a game. I can handle human error if that crew does a good overall job. Even if they have one bad game, it happens. What I don't think should happen is I don't think I should know when I see the crew it is going to be a poorly called game - and it always is with this crew. Next time I see them I will bring it to your attention and you can see what I mean - no matter who is playing.
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Re: Nebraska - A&M

Postby Spence » Tue Nov 23, 2010 2:07 am

Dossenator wrote:Also, what did you guys think about Pelini and how he treated his QB? I would be embarrassed to call him my coach. There is a difference between being a hard nosed tough guy and just being a plain...well you know what. If I was the QB's daddy I would have a little set down with coach. The story is when Martinez was injured he texted his dad in the locker room before an x-ray and then after the x-ray...Nebraska has a policy against that. Pelini was unhappy that Martinez wasted time getting out to play if he was able too. That's all fine and dandy...you can get on to the guy, you can even yell a little, you can punish him later, you can decide not to play him....but to verbally abuse him like he did (especially on national tv) was uncalled for. And poking his chest with his finger....man I would be livid. I am not sure I could have been as constrained as Martinez was. If anyone ever poked me in the chest like that...well that person would be looking for someone to reattach his finger.

The rumors were that Martinez quit the team. Pelini has come out and apologized and said Martinez is staying at Nebraska. The Nebraska chancellor spoke out against Pelini (he was referring to how he treated players and the refs), and fans are saying he embarrassed the state and the school. (http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-112 ... 4695.story)



I don't justify anyone poking someone in the chest - if someone does that to me that will guarantee a fight - but I think given what happened on the field, I can see a coach fly off on someone. Especially with the game on the line and having a player texting or tweeting during the game, no matter who the text was too. I don't justify busting on him in fromt of the world, but when you lose it - and it happens- you will see things like that and the coach just has to make it right.
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Re: Nebraska - A&M

Postby Dossenator » Tue Nov 23, 2010 2:25 am

I have complained about the officials in about 3 Arkansas games this year.

1. Arkansas beat South Carolina easily (was up by 30 points at one time) but the officiating was terribly one sided favoring South Carolina all night....11 penalties 90 yards on Ark and 4 for 37 yards on South Carolina (so many no calls...holding, pass interference, etc).

2. Then there was the Arkansas vs Vanderbilt game...another easy Hog win....however, the officiating crew favored Vandy all game....7 for 54 yards on Vandy and 13 for 130 yards against Arkansas.

3. Then of course the Auburn game where the refs gifted Auburn with 14 free points (this was just flat out cheating...and I honestly believe the same people who paid off Newton, slipped money to the officials).

The other 8 games were called pretty well....a play here or there but some plays went Ark's way as well.
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Re: Nebraska - A&M

Postby Spence » Tue Nov 23, 2010 2:32 am

I know. I have a hard time being fair to officials during the game with the emotion and things - even though I have done that job(not at that level) - and have endured all the same comments. It is easier for me to see it in games where I have no emotional investment. Honestly, I have to let some time pass in an Ohio State game before I talk about the officials, I also generally have to watch the game over to try and see what was being called. I generally find it isn't what an official calls during a game, but what they don't call.

I do believe most of these officials are pretty good at what they do.
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Re: Nebraska - A&M

Postby billybud » Tue Nov 23, 2010 10:55 am

FSU believes, and has said as much, that they are purposefully getting jobbed by ACC officials.

Jimbo has now spoken out about a huge call in the Maryland game....he does not think it was purposeful, just a huge call.

Maryland had the ball...third and ten. Throws it. FSU's CB hits the WR as he is coming down with the ball causing the ball to pop up in the air and it is intercepted. As the FSU defender runs the ball back 40 yards into the end zone for a TD, the official looks down at the Terp, who is lying on his back and not moving, and pulls out a flag.

Maryland gets the 15 yards and first down and scores...instead of a 17-3 game..it is now 10-10, A huge swing.

The FSU CB hit the Maryland WR full bore in the chest with his shoulder pads (head turned away)..it was a crushing hit. The WR's head snapped down, when hit, onto the shoulder pad of the CB and then snapped back. He hit the ground flat on his back and was dazed. FSU was penalized 15 yards for personal foul with no explanation.

The head of the league officials was at the game and he stated afterwards that it was a personal foul for hitting a defenseless receiver. Jimbo said he was OK if the ref thought the helmet went high and made a mistake in the call while calling it a "helmet to helmet"...but that "hitting a defenseless receiver" needs some explanation. Does he tell his defenders to not hit a receiver catching a ball? Wait for their feet to touch the ground? Wait until they nod that they are now ready to play.

He mentioned that such a game changing call is not reviewable and maybe should be. A lot happens very quickly in a tackle and refs may think one thing is happening while it is actually another.
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Re: Nebraska - A&M

Postby billybud » Tue Nov 23, 2010 11:03 am

He went on to mention the obvious helmet to helmet plays against FSU receivers including one in the end zone that were not called against Maryland. He wondered about the consistancy of officiating.

Bad blood has been brewing between FSU and the ACC...a series of one sided calling in games, TD's called back, etc. The school isn't happy but won't say much...the message boards are screaming about maybe the ACC is trying hard to get a North Carolina team into the CCG.

I am not a conspiracy theorist, but the officiating has hurt FSU badly. In tight games, as all of FSU's ACC losses have been, a drive ending call, a couple of touchdowns called back, or mysterious holding calls that the film doesn't show, are all that it takes.
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Re: Nebraska - A&M

Postby Spence » Tue Nov 23, 2010 11:21 am

The head of the league officials was at the game and he stated afterwards that it was a personal foul for hitting a defenseless receiver. Jimbo said he was OK if the ref thought the helmet went high and made a mistake in the call while calling it a "helmet to helmet"...but that "hitting a defenseless receiver" needs some explanation. Does he tell his defenders to not hit a receiver catching a ball? Wait for their feet to touch the ground? Wait until they nod that they are now ready to play.


This is the new big thing in CFB. Hitting a defenseless receiver. I don't know what that is either, but Ohio State has four of them in the last two weeks. All of them were for over the middle type plays. Two of them, the receiver caught and maintained possession. The only defenseless player I have noticed this year is the Nebraska QB underneath a pile and an A&M player trying grabbing and twisting his balls. That is a penalty in my book. Twist my ankle if you must, punch me in the face, poke me in the eye, but leave my balls alone. :lol:

I don't know any good reason ACC officials or the ACC office would target Florida State. It seems to me that FSU is and has been their cash cow. The fact that the ACC has more good teams now than they had ten years ago shouldn't change the ACC wanting FSU to do well. I do think officials and conferences all over CFB are targeting a "type" of football. Teams like Nebraska, Florida State, and Ohio State, to name a few, have made their money on defensive football. It has always been their forte and it seems defense isn't in vogue right now. People like this rinky dink read option crap that used to be reserved for teams who couldn't recruit good players. At some point the worm will turn, hopefully it turns soon.
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Re: Nebraska - A&M

Postby billybud » Tue Nov 23, 2010 11:32 am

FSU plays physical defense. They will hit you.

The "defenseless receiver" bit really hurts a team who can close with speed and hit a guy as he comes down with the ball. I do not think that there has been an adequate revelation of what this call should be.

What they are doing is throwing the flag if you hit the guy so hard that he doesn't bounce up. But hitting a WR to jar the ball loose is football.
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Re: Nebraska - A&M

Postby Spence » Tue Nov 23, 2010 12:32 pm

billybud wrote:FSU plays physical defense. They will hit you.

The "defenseless receiver" bit really hurts a team who can close with speed and hit a guy as he comes down with the ball. I do not think that there has been an adequate revelation of what this call should be.

What they are doing is throwing the flag if you hit the guy so hard that he doesn't bounce up. But hitting a WR to jar the ball loose is football.


We completely agree on this, that was my point in the post. Ohio State has never been an offense first team, at least not in my life time. Florida State set the bar for defense in the late 80's and 90's. It seems that the powers that be - want to change the way the game is played. They want to eliminate defensive play, like Pop Warner mothers that don't think those big mean kids should knock her boy down. I'm not for intentionally hurting someone, but it is rare to see players doing that or coaches teaching it. Football is a contact sport and I don't see anyway to change that and preserve the integrity of the game. Too much PC going on.
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Re: Nebraska - A&M

Postby donovan » Tue Nov 23, 2010 4:35 pm

Beyond my comprehension. They have already made so many rules in favor of the receivers. What was wrong with the days when the ball was in the air...who got it got it...Why do we give an advantage to the offensive team on passes?
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Re: Nebraska - A&M

Postby Spence » Tue Nov 23, 2010 4:54 pm

donovan wrote:Beyond my comprehension. They have already made so many rules in favor of the receivers. What was wrong with the days when the ball was in the air...who got it got it...Why do we give an advantage to the offensive team on passes?



Exactly. They already have the advantage of knowing before the play if the ball is coming to them. I, just once would like to see a tailback called for lowering his head to prepare for contact - leading with his helmet. Good for the goose. A defensive player isn't allowed to make contact after the receiver gets off the line until the ball gets to the receiver - unless he is making a play on the ball - That is enough.
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Re: Nebraska - A&M

Postby Dossenator » Tue Nov 23, 2010 8:29 pm

Look at these pics. Last year, Ark vs LSU, in Baton Rouge. Hogs were up by 3 points with 29 seconds left on the clock when this LSU player was tackled in bounds (LSU had no timeouts). The ref standing right on the play ruled that the LSU player got out of bounds and stopped the clock. LSU completed two more passes and did get out of bounds on both plays. Then kicked a game tying field goal. LSU won in overtime.

If the play would have been called correctly LSU would have been kicking about a 58 yard field goal for the tie...not a 30 something yard field goal. Calls like this are unbelievable to me. How can the ref right on the play miss this one so badly....unless he is just simply cheating. An Ark win in that game would have made 3 in a row for Ark over LSU...I'm still upset a year later. Hopefully, the Hogs can get their revenge this Sat. in Little Rock and send those corndogs back to Baton Rouge without The Boot Trophy.

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