TCU leaving the MWC for the Big East actually placates Hawaii to some degree.
One beef Hawaii had with the WAC was them looking to add Texas State and UT-San Antonio. They weren't too wild about the extra potential travel expenses that far east in addition to already having to play road games at Louisiana Tech.
Unfortunately, this also stops the MWC in their tracks as far as growth in concerned. Kiss goodbye the possibility of Baylor, Kansas and Kansas State joining the MWC if the Big 12 folds. Maybe now, they would just get Baylor. But Baylor wouldn't have TCU preventing them from joining the MWC anymore.
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I'm not convinced the Big XII folds:
Nebraska turned into something over the last two years, and have historically been good in the modern era. But losing Colorado doesn't hurt at all.
If anything, with the Big East looking to expand into a 12 team conference; that alone may give the Big 12 another season to re-establish themselves, picking up 2 more along the way ( I heard rumors of talks with Fresno ).
Should the Big XII survive, it likely would squash all of this 16 team super conference nonsense. Though, it may all depend on the Big East's success in drawing 3 more teams ( I'm not convinced, however, that adding Villanova would increase the integrity of the competition level of the conference ). . . I'm also hearing quite a bit of chatter yet, about UCF & Temple; with TCU joining, the Big East would only need one more.
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Nebraska turned into something over the last two years, and have historically been good in the modern era. But losing Colorado doesn't hurt at all.
If anything, with the Big East looking to expand into a 12 team conference; that alone may give the Big 12 another season to re-establish themselves, picking up 2 more along the way ( I heard rumors of talks with Fresno ).
Should the Big XII survive, it likely would squash all of this 16 team super conference nonsense. Though, it may all depend on the Big East's success in drawing 3 more teams ( I'm not convinced, however, that adding Villanova would increase the integrity of the competition level of the conference ). . . I'm also hearing quite a bit of chatter yet, about UCF & Temple; with TCU joining, the Big East would only need one more.
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I think Villanova could develop into a decent football program. Obviously the reason being more scholarships at their disposal and playing at a higher level of competition. Not sure how successful they would be though. Georgetown also has a football team, but the Big East is disinterested in them for myriad reasons.
The thing with Villanova is that they want to add a member for the sake of adding a member. It doesn't threaten anybody in the conference as far as anything in-state goes and it gives them access to the Philadelphia market without having to beg Temple to come back to the conference.
The thing with Villanova is that they want to add a member for the sake of adding a member. It doesn't threaten anybody in the conference as far as anything in-state goes and it gives them access to the Philadelphia market without having to beg Temple to come back to the conference.
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Well, the Big East has already expressed an interest in bringing back Temple. So I suppose it all depends on how slighted Temple feels.
The whole, not given a chance to build along side the other Conference teams who stuck it out.
You always stress the importance of how being in an automatic qualifying conference is beneficial to a schools recruiting; in Temple's case, we never got to see if they could improve with the new conference structure, because the Big East dumped `em before they had the chance to.
Which is suspect, as, the reason for ditching Temple for So Fla was due to usf's potential growth & the ability to maintain recruiting ties with the sunshine state ( which is why they extended the invite to So Fla, not Central Florida, faster development of their program ).
However, the Big East is in danger of losing that autoqualifier mantle, even with the addition of TCU. You'd think those in the head offices would recognize Temple's ability to maintain the conference status'quo with regards to a teetering timetable.
Temple could validate their position much more quickly than Villanova.
And that is what the Big East needs; someone who can build now, rather than over the course of 5 to 7 years. They need a program that would be able to make an immediate impact. Villanova cannot offer that.
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The whole, not given a chance to build along side the other Conference teams who stuck it out.
You always stress the importance of how being in an automatic qualifying conference is beneficial to a schools recruiting; in Temple's case, we never got to see if they could improve with the new conference structure, because the Big East dumped `em before they had the chance to.
Which is suspect, as, the reason for ditching Temple for So Fla was due to usf's potential growth & the ability to maintain recruiting ties with the sunshine state ( which is why they extended the invite to So Fla, not Central Florida, faster development of their program ).
However, the Big East is in danger of losing that autoqualifier mantle, even with the addition of TCU. You'd think those in the head offices would recognize Temple's ability to maintain the conference status'quo with regards to a teetering timetable.
Temple could validate their position much more quickly than Villanova.
And that is what the Big East needs; someone who can build now, rather than over the course of 5 to 7 years. They need a program that would be able to make an immediate impact. Villanova cannot offer that.
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Nope..the BE isn't close to,losing the AQ...TCU's top finishes transfer to the BE. The BE looks better than the ACC in top finsishes after TCU's addition.
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That does hold true for the first year; after that, the current win / loss record is the measuring stick.
TCU has to maintain their current winning percentage for it to carry over. Right now, I'd say they are likely to do so. However, if it winds up adversely effecting the rest of the Big East ( again TCU being the only dominant face of their resident conference ), then the translation in terms of wins is moot. The Conference as a whole must win more games. Otherwise the questions of legitimacy will continue to pile up.
Though, it is obvious the Big East extended the invite to TCU in order to save their own skin.
Adding TCU is a big step forward; on-the-other-hand, adding Villanova would big backstepping into neutrality.
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TCU has to maintain their current winning percentage for it to carry over. Right now, I'd say they are likely to do so. However, if it winds up adversely effecting the rest of the Big East ( again TCU being the only dominant face of their resident conference ), then the translation in terms of wins is moot. The Conference as a whole must win more games. Otherwise the questions of legitimacy will continue to pile up.
Though, it is obvious the Big East extended the invite to TCU in order to save their own skin.
Adding TCU is a big step forward; on-the-other-hand, adding Villanova would big backstepping into neutrality.
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It seems the Rapture did come for two worthy souls:
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In Memory of Donovan Davisson
"It is only impossible until it has been accomplished." ... then it becomes standardized ...
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billybud wrote:Nope..the BE isn't close to,losing the AQ...TCU's top finishes transfer to the BE. The BE looks better than the ACC in top finsishes after TCU's addition.
Uh...I thought that the Big East was not a AQ conference?
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Was that sarcasm? The BE Champ has a guaranteed BCS bowl.
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I don't think the Big East has been an automatically qualifier from the start.
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RazorHawk wrote:I don't think the Big East has been an automatically qualifier from the start.
I believe they have been an AQ conference since the beginning. When VT, Miami, and BC left that left the status in question, but they have maintained it to date.
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The BE has been a BCS conference from the beginning of the BCS with it's six conferences and an AQ from the beginning.
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At least one guy on this forum has it correct. Read what Mr. Congrove says about TCU and Boise State. Think he his spot on and only the tip of the iceberg.
http://www.collegefootballpoll.com/news_2010_1130_conference_realignment_tcu.html
http://www.collegefootballpoll.com/news_2010_1130_conference_realignment_tcu.html
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donovan wrote:At least one guy on this forum has it correct. Read what Mr. Congrove says about TCU and Boise State. Think he his spot on and only the tip of the iceberg.
http://www.collegefootballpoll.com/news_2010_1130_conference_realignment_tcu.html
He is spot on. He usually is. It is a shame, but the landscape won't look anything like it does today in just a few short years. We are moving more and more into a four superconference world.
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What he did NOT say was that the move was bad for TCU.
So it's bad for Boise and the MWC?...but TCU has to take care of itself..not Boise nor the MWC. The move is also good for the BE who can now put an end to those talks of the MWC overtaking the BE.
Cosgrove didn't say anything that isn't obvious...I wish that he might have discussed why TCU would make such a drastic move. But I think we know why. The lure of a BCS conference regardless of the geographic fit. Had the Big XII done the right thing, TCU would be in a better fit.
So it's bad for Boise and the MWC?...but TCU has to take care of itself..not Boise nor the MWC. The move is also good for the BE who can now put an end to those talks of the MWC overtaking the BE.
Cosgrove didn't say anything that isn't obvious...I wish that he might have discussed why TCU would make such a drastic move. But I think we know why. The lure of a BCS conference regardless of the geographic fit. Had the Big XII done the right thing, TCU would be in a better fit.
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He did say they jumped because of AQ status. Sometimes simple is good. Someone said today that 40% of the American population doesn't know why we celebrate the forth of July. If that is true, we are doomed to lose our freedom.
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