One of my vast rules of life that is widely applicable...I judge (apply discern to) people on intent. Perceived actions and outcomes often fail to tell the full story.
FSU's intent was to play teams well above the average strength for a BCS team's OOC. Had to be their intent, because that is who they originally scheduled. Finding a replacement these days is difficult. Their are a lot of teams out there, but there are a lot of bowls too! If teams have a schedule that they think will get them to the dance they desire, what is their incentive to change that. If FSU went and talked to mid-level FBS teams, they full know the spot that FSU must be in, why else would they be calling. I know people, and I am sure they liked the money they could get from the Noles, and I know they are greedy...when they think they can afford to be greedy especially. I'd be a dollar to a donut many want a return trip, many would even need them to drop another team, as they can readily have more than one game scheduled. FSU could even want to do that for them but now you are talking about not finding a fit for one game but several...the likely dance partners get smaller still.
To be somewhat short it boils down to the complexity. You can spend a lot of time in man hours trying to solve a 1-point or 2-point problem...and you might not find a real answer. Or more likely move the problem. There is just a lot of cascading and ripple effect. In the spot WVU put them in, it is just a lot simple to bite the bullet (after a sweep through better teams, trying to get lucky) and just reach well down and take the team that will quickly say yes, without if, and, or maybe.
Also, what is the gain for FSU, not a dang thing. Playing one absolutely no credit team does very little for you, outside of warm up and maybe wear. Playing another, does hurt you, way too much effect on the SOS and another game that can not be an answer for who did you beat. Even if you don't consider that, FSU now has played 2 games and really don't know what they have and run a risk of having some younger players thinking this is easier than it is, and that they are better than what they are. One thing is for absolute sure, they have 0 testing when Wake Forest comes calling...which is now there only real prep game before Clemson comes to town. Clemson has beaten Auburn and Ball State....more than twice the preparation value of WF. This greatly increases FSU's risk of losing one of 2 games that will determine if they go to the BCS or not.
FSU got screwed!
Florida State v. West Virginia v. Savannah St.
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Re: Florida State v. West Virginia v. Savannah St.
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Re: Florida State v. West Virginia v. Savannah St.
There has been an on going controversy in Tallahassee. Local athiests put up a billboard espousing their belief, much to the chagrin of local believers.
There has now been a call for atheists to rethink their position....after God mercifully sent lightning bolts to shorten the misery of Savannah State thus sending proof of his wisdom and mercy.
There has now been a call for atheists to rethink their position....after God mercifully sent lightning bolts to shorten the misery of Savannah State thus sending proof of his wisdom and mercy.
“If short hair and good manners won football games, Army and Navy would play for the national championship every year.”
Re: Florida State v. West Virginia v. Savannah St.
Once upon a time, there were playfields. And as most playfields are, they were full of games. There were big playfields, at large well known schools, with plenty of room. And for years, games were played happily on the playfields, with great competition and tradition.
But as sometimes happens on a playfields, some of the teams began to play with some of the smaller teams, staking an unlabeled claim to the games and their contents.
The smaller teams tried to band together to take on the large teams, because the only way they were going to be allowed to continue to play on the fields were to play with the larger teams. They called attention to the larger team’s behavior with the authorities, but the larger teams were powerful and had parents with deep pockets, so the authorities turned a blind eye to the behavior on the field, in the hopes that they would not have to regulate the large teams behavior. Besides, the authorities were afraid, also, of the large teams. And the teams carried on for a couple of weeks.
Before too long, the small teams began to take matters into their own hands, writing things about the large teams and working together to try to make the playing field level. But that didn’t work. So one day, the authority called the teams into his office, closed the door, and said, “You must find a way to coexist. I can not keep regulating all of you.” And the teams in the office agreed, understanding that if the large teams failed to behave, that there would be consequences.
But the large team’s parents proved far too powerful, and when they learned that there had been a meeting in the authorities office, they wrote a letters and posted blogs about the authority.. The writings spoke about the playfields and coexistence and called out the authority for trying to enforce any kind of regulation.
So the authority, while having suggested to the teams that there would be consequences if the large teams failed to adhere to the new rules that were to be adopted around coexistence, changed his mind and announced his new decision about playfields.
In celebration, the large teams took over the playfields. And as a result, the playfields became unsafe for the smaller teams.
Until one day, the parents of the smaller teams called a meeting. And acknowledging that they didn’t have the power or the money or the influence of the large team’s parents, they recognized that they had the truth on their side and that the large teams had made the playfields unsafe for the small teams. And together, they met with the authority and spoke about his legacy of the unsafe playfields. And like lightening striking, he immediately saw where he was wrong and changed his mind.
Today, the playfield exists with rules in place to support the peaceful coexistence of all teams with an important lesson to be learned:
That when lightening strikes, you pay off the small teams and they will go away and the records will still stand.
But as sometimes happens on a playfields, some of the teams began to play with some of the smaller teams, staking an unlabeled claim to the games and their contents.
The smaller teams tried to band together to take on the large teams, because the only way they were going to be allowed to continue to play on the fields were to play with the larger teams. They called attention to the larger team’s behavior with the authorities, but the larger teams were powerful and had parents with deep pockets, so the authorities turned a blind eye to the behavior on the field, in the hopes that they would not have to regulate the large teams behavior. Besides, the authorities were afraid, also, of the large teams. And the teams carried on for a couple of weeks.
Before too long, the small teams began to take matters into their own hands, writing things about the large teams and working together to try to make the playing field level. But that didn’t work. So one day, the authority called the teams into his office, closed the door, and said, “You must find a way to coexist. I can not keep regulating all of you.” And the teams in the office agreed, understanding that if the large teams failed to behave, that there would be consequences.
But the large team’s parents proved far too powerful, and when they learned that there had been a meeting in the authorities office, they wrote a letters and posted blogs about the authority.. The writings spoke about the playfields and coexistence and called out the authority for trying to enforce any kind of regulation.
So the authority, while having suggested to the teams that there would be consequences if the large teams failed to adhere to the new rules that were to be adopted around coexistence, changed his mind and announced his new decision about playfields.
In celebration, the large teams took over the playfields. And as a result, the playfields became unsafe for the smaller teams.
Until one day, the parents of the smaller teams called a meeting. And acknowledging that they didn’t have the power or the money or the influence of the large team’s parents, they recognized that they had the truth on their side and that the large teams had made the playfields unsafe for the small teams. And together, they met with the authority and spoke about his legacy of the unsafe playfields. And like lightening striking, he immediately saw where he was wrong and changed his mind.
Today, the playfield exists with rules in place to support the peaceful coexistence of all teams with an important lesson to be learned:
That when lightening strikes, you pay off the small teams and they will go away and the records will still stand.
Statistics are the Morphine of College Football
Re: Florida State v. West Virginia v. Savannah St.
FSU was in danger of scoring 100....it was a mercy..It was no real game. Heck, they had already tilted the game and stats by starting a running clock in the 2nd qtr.
1...FSU defensive starters played 12 snaps in the game...
2...The offensive starters came out before the 1st qtr was finished.
3...The schools connived to shorten the game...the Savannah State coach voted to call it a tie (at 55-0)...FSU said we'll play it out or, if the NCAA will let us, call it on weather (even though the weather had cleared).
and finally...it was the perfect embodiment of the Boise principle....
Like beat up on New Mexico State 56-6 and again 58-0 and again 59-0 and again 49-0..........The Boise principle. Have a patsy on schedule and whup 'em...and Boise showed us that if it is worth doing once, it is worth doing over and over.
1...FSU defensive starters played 12 snaps in the game...
2...The offensive starters came out before the 1st qtr was finished.
3...The schools connived to shorten the game...the Savannah State coach voted to call it a tie (at 55-0)...FSU said we'll play it out or, if the NCAA will let us, call it on weather (even though the weather had cleared).
and finally...it was the perfect embodiment of the Boise principle....
Like beat up on New Mexico State 56-6 and again 58-0 and again 59-0 and again 49-0..........The Boise principle. Have a patsy on schedule and whup 'em...and Boise showed us that if it is worth doing once, it is worth doing over and over.
“If short hair and good manners won football games, Army and Navy would play for the national championship every year.”
Re: Florida State v. West Virginia v. Savannah St.
billybud wrote:FSU was in danger of scoring 100....it was a mercy..It was no real game. Heck, they had already tilted the game and stats by starting a running clock in the 2nd qtr.
1...FSU defensive starters played 12 snaps in the game...
2...The offensive starters came out before the 1st qtr was finished.
3...The schools connived to shorten the game...the Savannah State coach voted to call it a tie (at 55-0)...FSU said we'll play it out or, if the NCAA will let us, call it on weather (even though the weather had cleared).
and finally...it was the perfect embodiment of the Boise principle....
Like beat up on New Mexico State 56-6 and again 58-0 and again 59-0 and again 49-0..........The Boise principle. Have a patsy on schedule and whup 'em...and Boise showed us that if it is worth doing once, it is worth doing over and over.
On this subject, my friend, we absolutely agree. Though it did not work all the way for Boise because they just aren't big enough and enough of a draw, it has worked pretty darn well. They are financially doing fine and they are getting some pretty good games, which they are starting to lose. So I agree, why not do what works....
And..in the spirit of Boise...if FSU wins just a couple of games..they will zoon to the top..because nobody really cares about who you beat nor remembers....it is all about instant gratification. So in the spirit of just looking for things to rub, I am really ok with all of this. We will never go back to geographical football.
Statistics are the Morphine of College Football
Re: Florida State v. West Virginia v. Savannah St.
I have always maintained that a great record can be only a matter of scheduling....
Now, Wake Forest won't be a Savannah State...more of a Nevada type team.
Now, Wake Forest won't be a Savannah State...more of a Nevada type team.
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Re: Florida State v. West Virginia v. Savannah St.
billybud wrote:I have always maintained that a great record can be only a matter of scheduling....
Now, Wake Forest won't be a Savannah State...more of a Nevada type team.
I would agree with that to a point. But.........most upper level teams have 5 or 6 on their schedule they are going to beat pretty easily. There are a few that have less few that have more, but parity wise, CFB isn't the NFL.
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Re: Florida State v. West Virginia v. Savannah St.
billybud wrote:There has been an on going controversy in Tallahassee. Local athiests put up a billboard espousing their belief, much to the chagrin of local believers.
There has now been a call for atheists to rethink their position....after God mercifully sent lightning bolts to shorten the misery of Savannah State thus sending proof of his wisdom and mercy.
Atheist's billboard...makes for very a hard choice in artistry. Do you paint the billboard black or white?
Billboards of anything other than an eating place coming up in the next 5 miles I just don't get. The space rental is pretty cheap, but seems awfully ineffective outside of the aforementioned. So I just fail to see how you could use one to spark deep and highly meaningful personal message to anyone. I have went to church a few times, and a couple of times I was given a visitor's questionnaire. I wonder if anyone ever answered the question, "How did you hear about _________ ?" And answered, That billboard on North bound I-35 just before Gruene.
Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves.
If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.
R. Reagan
If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.
R. Reagan
Re: Florida State v. West Virginia v. Savannah St.
“If short hair and good manners won football games, Army and Navy would play for the national championship every year.”
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