SPEAKING OF THE BCS...

[silverfox]

Silverfox....Every BCS Champion has won at least four games against End Ranked (AP/Coaches) teams. Every BCS Champion that was from a conference with a championship game, has played five teams that were end ranked.



FSU, when winning their pre BCS 1993 Championship, beat the SEC Champ and the Big 12 Champ and 11-1 Notre Dame.

I understand that... but how many of those teams beat at least twp end ranked teams who became conference champs from AQ conferences? In the spirit of Vileborg's post that is what I want to know.

[RazorHawk]

Silverfox....Every BCS Champion has won at least four games against End Ranked (AP/Coaches) teams. Every BCS Champion that was from a conference with a championship game, has played five teams that were end ranked.



FSU, when winning their pre BCS 1993 Championship, beat the SEC Champ and the Big 12 Champ and 11-1 Notre Dame.

I understand that... but how many of those teams beat at least twp end ranked teams who became conference champs from AQ conferences? In the spirit of Vileborg's post that is what I want to know.

I know I am not billybud, but I doubt that there has ever been a National Champion that has even played two conference winners from AQ conferences in a single season.

I doubt that it will ever happen. Not really a meaningful question, unless it has happened. The answer is still probably zero.

[Vileborg]

It was a rhetorical question, meant to provoke thought but without expecting an answer. Spence was right, I won't say Oregon St. can't do it but it's not likely, and the ACC is wide open still.

[RazorHawk]

It was a rhetorical question, meant to provoke thought but without expecting an answer. Spence was right, I won't say Oregon St. can't do it but it's not likely, and the ACC is wide open still.

I guess my point is that it probably has never happened or will ever happen. But if it did, it certainly would carry quite a bit of weight. More weight would be given if those two automatic qualifiers had only one or two losses and not a 5-3 division winner that beat the opposite division winner. So the overall record of those conference winners would affect the weight given.

However, beating 4 or 5 top 20 teams would probably still have more value, than two wins.

[billybud]

In 2000....FSU played in the title game...and played three conference champs...they beat the SEC Champ (Florida) the Big East Champ (Miami) and lost to the Big 12 Champ (Oklahoma).

[billybud]

In 1989..before the BCS...

FSU played and beat the Big 12 Champ, the SEC Champ, and the Big East Champ...and ended up being ranked #2 (behind #1 Miami who FSU beat on the field).

[RazorHawk]

In 2000....FSU played in the title game...and played three conference champs...they beat the SEC Champ (Florida) the Big East Champ (Miami) and lost to the Big 12 Champ (Oklahoma).

So they did play and beat two, conference winners. However, today that would only be one conference winner, as Miami is now in the same conference.

Vileborg's question did not include the championship game, as most always the opponent will be a automatic qualifier. It was referencing Boise State and Va Tech and Oregon St.

My guess is that 2000 situation was the only time that has happened and probably will not happen again, as most BSC teams won't have two teams on their non-conference schedule that are capable of winning their BCS conference.

Florida St over the years has probably played the best non-conference games of any BCS team. Is there any BCS team this year with the possibility? If I had a job, and was sitting in my office at a desk, I might research this, but being retired, I have better things to do.

[billybud]

Hard to do now...

FSU, during the 90's played two of the top 5 winningest teams of the 90's every year in OOC...Miami and Florida. So playing two conference champs wasn't difficult. FSU has played three conference champs counting the bowl game.

As I already mentioned...2000 and 1989.

But in 1987...FSU played the SEC Champ (beat Auburn), Big 8 Champ (beat Nebraska), Big Ten Champ (beat Micchigan State)..Big East Champ (lost to Miami...wide right)

We will never again see a team play the champ of the SEC, Big Ten, Big 12 (Big 8 then), and Big East in one season.

[billybud]

In 1991, FSU played the SEC Champ (Florida), the Big East Champ (Miami), the Big Ten Champ (Michigan) and The SWC Champ (Texas A&M) and the WAC Champ (BYU).

We will never, ever see a team again play the champs of five conferences...I don't think.

[silverfox]

In 2000....FSU played in the title game...and played three conference champs...they beat the SEC Champ (Florida) the Big East Champ (Miami) and lost to the Big 12 Champ (Oklahoma).

Thank you for answering the question.

We will have to see how each team weighs in for the season. Its not just the ACC but I think most all conferences are still up in the air. BUT, if Oregon State were to win out (and that could happen given the in-state rivalry with Oregon) and VT were to win out (While a tough conference schedule VT seems to be almost back to its potential levels) AND IF Boise State were to win out (tough games against rivals Fresno State, Nevada, Hawaii and Idaho to get past) THEN the scenario could happen.

But that is forward looking like everyone else here does for their own teams. BSU's quarterback needs to scramble a little more for a little more well-rounded offense. Special Teams still need a lot of work if they are to prove they are even worthy enough to be considered anything BCS.

[Derek]

In 1989..before the BCS...

FSU played and beat the Big 12 Champ, the SEC Champ, and the Big East Champ...and ended up being ranked #2 (behind #1 Miami who FSU beat on the field).

Don't you just love the "Pre-Computer" polls? That ranking makes as much sense as jumping off a building.

This is why the computers were brought in....there is plenty of evidence of seasons just like 1989....and it all boiled down to "Darlingism".

[Spence]

I think that is because the voters of today get to envolved with teams and they are also way too in love with offensive football to actually critically break down a team.