Boise State being snubbed by BCS

[1992heritage]

Boy, did the BCS bowls (Fiesta Bowl) miss the boat by not picking Boise State over Ohio State. They said it was a money and ratings issue. Boise State in the Fiesta Bowl again, would have been, maybe the highest rated Bowl game next to the BCS championship. The stadium would have been packed and everyone would have tuned in to see if David could take down Goliath again. Plus, it would have been good public relations for the BCS. Man, did they MISS THE BOAT!

[donovan]

I do not think you can worry about the reasoning of the BCS. That would be a reasonable definition of insanity. Boise is talking positive about San Diego, though I personally think it does not have great interest to most.

People in Boise are talking positive. They never have deluded themselves they are going anywhere but where they are. They are a mid major school, playing relatively easy schedule and they get what they get.

The BCS second guesses itself so much there is no way they get it right. Boise is the least of their issues.

[billybud]

I would have liked to see Boise matched with a quality BCS conference team...Utah got that shot instead. But, Boise has an interesting offense and it would have created interest...America loves a david with a sling and a rock.

[donovan]

I think Boise is fine where they are...it is reality. Small schools, mid majors just will not fill up big stadiums...so those matchups are going to be few and far between. Boise's strengths are they are fast...have good speed on Defense and cover very well. Offense is OK...and gets better because Boise is in better condition than most teams they play, they wear them down. Boise has an incredible amount of plays.....There are the gadgets but they real problem is, hard to line up against them when the quiver is so full of options.

Weakness it depth. And they never really go up against big linemen. The four years home and away series with BYU starting in a couple of years should help Boise's OCC. If they can get one PAC 10 game in, and they have been doing that, I think that should help. The WAC is still weak overall.

[1992heritage]

Donovan, don't you know anything about money and exposure? Let's see, playing in the Poinsettia Bowl and playing TCU earning 500,000 to 700,000 or playing in the Fiesta Bowl and playing Texas and earning 12 to 14 mill. Gee, I don't know. I know what you're going to say. It is what it is. Still doesn't make it fair.

[donovan]

Donovan, don't you know anything about money and exposure? Let's see, playing in the Poinsettia Bowl and playing TCU earning 500,000 to 700,000 or playing in the Fiesta Bowl and playing Texas and earning 12 to 14 mill. Gee, I don't know. I know what you're going to say. It is what it is. Still doesn't make it fair.

I suppose you are right....I don't know about money and exposure.....

[Jason G]

I agree that Boise State should have been the team going to the BCS, of course that doesn't necessarily mean they would have ended up in the Fiesta. It could have been the Sugar or Orange too.

I wouldn't have that big of a problem with BSU being left out because the rules are what they are and I knew they weren't likely to let two non-BCS conference schools get in. But, as it turns out, since Texas Tech couldn't go I didn't really see any team that should go ahead of Boise State based on the season they had. Ohio State is going because they have the name, tradition, fanbase, and have only been defeated twice. When you really look at it though they only played two solid top 10 or 15 type of teams, getting waxed by one of them on the road and losing to the other at home. With BSU you at least have the question of how they might fare against an elite type of team and you have a team that is undefeated and did everything they could with the schedule they played.

Actually, I think it is kind of a shame that each BCS game has a conference locked into it. I actually think it would have been interesting to see Utah and Boise State get in and play each other or have them playing the Big East and ACC champions, with the tie-ins though I don't know how that even could have worked.

[billybud]

...I have a question how Mount Union might fare..let's play them...they haven't played much of aschedule either..(a little hyperbole, but the same thought).

[Eric]

I agree that Boise State should have been the team going to the BCS, of course that doesn't necessarily mean they would have ended up in the Fiesta. It could have been the Sugar or Orange too.

I wouldn't have that big of a problem with BSU being left out because the rules are what they are and I knew they weren't likely to let two non-BCS conference schools get in. But, as it turns out, since Texas Tech couldn't go I didn't really see any team that should go ahead of Boise State based on the season they had. Ohio State is going because they have the name, tradition, fanbase, and have only been defeated twice. When you really look at it though they only played two solid top 10 or 15 type of teams, getting waxed by one of them on the road and losing to the other at home. With BSU you at least have the question of how they might fare against an elite type of team and you have a team that is undefeated and did everything they could with the schedule they played.

Actually, I think it is kind of a shame that each BCS game has a conference locked into it. I actually think it would have been interesting to see Utah and Boise State get in and play each other or have them playing the Big East and ACC champions, with the tie-ins though I don't know how that even could have worked.

I would have taken Boise, but I'm not fuming that the Buckeyes got the bid. Of course, it comes down to $$$, but while I thought that the Broncos were more deserving, their resume isn't head-and-shoulders better than the Buckeyes. I think it required a debate, but you'd be splitting hairs to me. If Boise State had played Ohio State's schedule, they probably would have finished 10-2 or 9-3 as well. Of course, that's based on my conjecture and there's no way of knowing. If Penn State had visited the Smurf Turf, who would know how that would burn their retinas

[Spence]

...I have a question how Mount Union might fare..let's play them...they haven't played much of aschedule either..(a little hyperbole, but the same thought).

Mount Union plays a good DIII schedule.

[billybud]

and Boise plays a decent non BCS schedule...

[Jason G]

Boise State plays a schedule against teams that have the same number of football scholarships as the schools in the BCS bowls do, and most of them have someone who will at least be in an NFL camp someday, and didn't lose to any of them. Mount Union plays a schedule against teams with no scholarships and very little NFL caliber talent.

[billybud]

Boise may have the same number of schollies...but they played a good IIA schedule...in the same neighborhood of strength as James Madison (12-1) and Villanova (10-3).

We aren't talking up James Madison for a BCS bowl because they aren't IA...but their SOS is about like Boise's. They played as tough a schedule and have a similar record.... It isn't really how many schollies you have, it is how good are you, defined by the question.."who did you beat?"...basically winning has to be tied to SOS...winning on a schedule ranked #114 isn't the same as winning on a schedule in the top 35.

[Jason G]

But the question is going 12-0 against a schedule ranked #114 vs. a schedule ranked #35 and losing to the top two teams on it.

If you go by whom you beat...In my opinion Oregon State was a better win for Boise State than any win Ohio State had.

Plus, as I have said before, Boise only controls the portion of their schedule that is OOC. Comparing Ohio State's OOC wins and Boise's OOC wins, aren't they at least comparable? Penalizing a team because they play in a weak conference is, on many levels, discriminatory.

[donovan]

Boise won all their games.....Ok...that being said...they had a weak SOS...but most standards...

Utah won all their games...their SOS was better.....Has to do with the conference, not so much OOC

I would have ranked, and did Utah above Boise...for no particular reason.

I am never really sure I disagree with Billybud. It is only in one area that I harp.....If you invite someone to the party, they should be able to drink the punch. If they can not drink the punch on an equal basis with everyone else invited...do not invite them

But they were invited and to let them have equal swillage...hows that for a word...it becomes unfair to those that have...this is a lousy analogy ....that had to work harder to get an invite.

My position is....split the BCS Championship out and have a Championship Series for the mids.....Then everyone that enters gets a fair shot....SOS, will be closer...

Probably three tiers...

Now the difference..Billybud wants to punish the mids now because of weak SOS....I say....it is not possible for everyone to play a tough SOS....so until you correct the problem, quit punishing the people you invited.

I may not have his position accurate..but it has real validity.....this system does not work....The mids in the mix actually distort who the best teams may be.....