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Caveat Emptor…….

Postby Mountainman » Wed Aug 07, 2024 11:16 am

……. you can bet your arse they’re already inside the Locker Room. :roll:


https://www.cbssports.com/college-footb ... ll-season/


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Re: Caveat Emptor…….

Postby Spence » Wed Aug 07, 2024 6:21 pm

You have to let the bookies know how to set the lines.
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Re: Caveat Emptor…….

Postby Mountainman » Wed Aug 07, 2024 11:20 pm

Yep, gotta look after the interests of all the guys profiting off of the games at the expense of the fans. Btw, have you bought a burger, fries and a beer at a game lately?????? I figure it won’t be long before they have a credit card swiper at the entrance to the Men’s Restroom….. and hand washing will be an extra charge. :roll:


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Re: Caveat Emptor…….

Postby Mountainman » Sun Aug 11, 2024 11:24 am

Spence wrote:You have to let the bookies know how to set the lines.


It’ll only get worse…….. 8)



https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/thre ... ries-team/


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Re: Caveat Emptor…….

Postby Cane from the Bend » Sun Aug 11, 2024 9:18 pm

Mountainman wrote:
Spence wrote:You have to let the bookies know how to set the lines.


It’ll only get worse…….. 8) .



Is this really worse ..?

Or simply more predictable .?.


There were always concerns about this behavior, well before College Spots Betting became legal. It's why it took so long for the needle to move in favor of it.

But money gets, what money wants.

Pay for play, has always been happening. But only certain programs will be relegated the harshest penalties, while others conveniently never get a whiff of an investigation. Especially with the monetary backing of particular TV network interests.

They don't agree on what NIL practices are, or rule on appropriate infractions conduct. Whether players should be employees, or whether Men can Identify as Women to compete in Female Sports --- when the NCAA President takes a back step on that one, and says they're waiting for a better method of consensus, he means, "Don't Ask Us".

NCAA has a bad habit of waiting for a Legislative Branch outside of Collegiate Sports to make decisions.

Honestly speaking, the NCAA has merely been a security blanket for the membership universities, so they can say; "Well, they never clearly indicated what the regulations were to us". With the NCAA saying; "We're just waiting on a more compartmentalized process".

Everybody's pointing their fingers everywhere else. But nobody is definitively pointing their finger anyplace that matters.

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Re: Caveat Emptor…….

Postby Mountainman » Tue Aug 13, 2024 10:34 am

Cane from the Bend wrote:
Mountainman wrote:
Spence wrote:You have to let the bookies know how to set the lines.


It’ll only get worse…….. 8) .



Is this really worse ..?

Or simply more predictable .?.


There were always concerns about this behavior, well before College Spots Betting became legal. It's why it took so long for the needle to move in favor of it.

But money gets, what money wants.

Pay for play, has always been happening. But only certain programs will be relegated the harshest penalties, while others conveniently never get a whiff of an investigation. Especially with the monetary backing of particular TV network interests.

They don't agree on what NIL practices are, or rule on appropriate infractions conduct. Whether players should be employees, or whether Men can Identify as Women to compete in Female Sports --- when the NCAA President takes a back step on that one, and says they're waiting for a better method of consensus, he means, "Don't Ask Us".

NCAA has a bad habit of waiting for a Legislative Branch outside of Collegiate Sports to make decisions.

Honestly speaking, the NCAA has merely been a security blanket for the membership universities, so they can say; "Well, they never clearly indicated what the regulations were to us". With the NCAA saying; "We're just waiting on a more compartmentalized process".

Everybody's point their fingers everywhere else. But nobody us definitive pointing their finger anyplace that matters.

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Well said Cane……

I lay the ‘blame’ on the doorstep of the school ‘presidents’ who abdicated their leadership role in the NCAA to the Athletic Directors, and now hide from their deeds.

Actions such as that is akin to ‘letting the foxes guard the Henhouse and triggered an almost certainty of what Peter Turchin called ‘a cycle of misery’.

Who says ‘College Football’ or College Athletics can be sold????? Who says who gets the money????? One might ask, ‘Who owns College Athletics?’. Taking someone else’s property is called “theft”, and is a criminal action.. Who owns these facilities that are being used to display these events, talents and outcomes…… and who’s doing the work that provides the product being sold?????

Hopefully the Pause and Reset buttons will be pressed.

8)

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Re: Caveat Emptor…….

Postby Cane from the Bend » Tue Aug 13, 2024 8:45 pm

Mountainman wrote:
Cane from the Bend wrote:
Mountainman wrote:
Spence wrote:You have to let the bookies know how to set the lines.


It’ll only get worse…….. 8) .



Is this really worse ..?

Or simply more predictable .?.


There were always concerns about this behavior, well before College Spots Betting became legal. It's why it took so long for the needle to move in favor of it.

But money gets, what money wants.

Pay for play, has always been happening. But only certain programs will be relegated the harshest penalties, while others conveniently never get a whiff of an investigation. Especially with the monetary backing of particular TV network interests.

They don't agree on what NIL practices are, or rule on appropriate infractions conduct. Whether players should be employees, or whether Men can Identify as Women to compete in Female Sports --- when the NCAA President takes a back step on that one, and says they're waiting for a better method of consensus, he means, "Don't Ask Us".

NCAA has a bad habit of waiting for a Legislative Branch outside of Collegiate Sports to make decisions.

Honestly speaking, the NCAA has merely been a security blanket for the membership universities, so they can say; "Well, they never clearly indicated what the regulations were to us". With the NCAA saying; "We're just waiting on a more compartmentalized process".

Everybody's point their fingers everywhere else. But nobody us definitive pointing their finger anyplace that matters.



Well said Cane……

I lay the ‘blame’ on the doorstep of the school ‘presidents’ who abdicated their leadership role in the NCAA to the Athletic Directors, and now hide from their deeds.

Actions such as that is akin to ‘letting the foxes guard the Henhouse and triggered an almost certainty of what Peter Turchin called ‘a cycle of misery’.

Who says ‘College Football’ or College Athletics can be sold????? Who says who gets the money????? One might ask, ‘Who owns College Athletics?’. Taking someone else’s property is called “theft”, and is a criminal action.. Who owns these facilities that are being used to display these events, talents and outcomes…… and who’s doing the work that provides the product being sold?????

Hopefully the Pause and Reset buttons will be pressed.

8) .



It's generally why we have Political Slogans as Sports Motivational quotes ... ""Trust The Climb!""

And then we're expected to Laud over the decisions, cheering on the praises of Money Well Spent:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ykjs2dKfG58

Thing is, in order to maintain future enthusiasm, you have to recreate the success you're telling us to remember, elsewise all those great memories are merely History.

A "Once Upon a Time" tale, of how things were when we were proud of ourselves.

Well, Once Upon a Time, Harvard and Princeton were top dogs of the sport. Helping to shape and mold it into what we would eventually call modern Football.

Tell me, how many of the Land of a Thousand Lakes does Minnesota have to keep ""Row(ing) the Boat"" on
or how much lumber does Rutgers have to ""Keep Chopping Wood"", before i all amounts to progress on a National scale?

It has a sense of, Motivational slogans becoming Devotional slogans.

As a fanbase, they're great to hear, and fun to say.

As Players who are here for a year ... what do they care?

What many players hold onto as,an experience. We as fans hold onto for a lifetime.

College Administrations rotate, with Presidents and Directors of Athletics, Faculties and Coaching Staffs, hopping from University to University, all while telling fans to ""Trust the System"" that they, themselves, do not actually believe in. Mantras the hopeful cling to with hopes of glory and jubilee for future success that they'll be able to witness, and pass down as Historical / Grand wins.

University of Miami President, Julio Frenk
Attended the University of Michigan and graduated with two master's degrees and a PhD degree
Served at the Ministry of Health of Mexico before serving as Secretary of Health of Mexico from 2002 to 2006
He served as Dean of the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health from 2009 to 2015
From 2019 to 2024, he served as the sixth President of the University of Miami
Where he also served as a Professor of Public Health Science at the Miller School of Medicine {UM}
A Professor of Health Sector Management at Herbert Business School {UM}
A Professor of Sociology at the College of Arts and Sciences {UM}.

As of June 12, 2024, the University of California, Los Angeles {UCLA} announced that, effective January 1, 2025, Frenk would become the 7th Chancellor of the university.


University of Miami Director of Athletics, Dan Radakovich
Served as the Athletic Director at American University from 2000 to 2001
Served as a Senior Associate Athletic Director at LSU from 2001 2006
Served as the Athletic Director at Georgia Tech from 2006 to 2012
Served as the Athletic Director at Clemson University from 2012 to 2021
Currently serving as the Athletic Director at the University of Miami 2022-20??


The wheel, she keeps on spinnin'. And we, the congregation of the fanbase are expected to be enthusiastic regardless the number of times the faces change in the Administration's Office or the Locker Room.

Just Cheer, you fool ... lest you be ousted as a Hater or Fair Weathered.

After all, what do you really know, or choices would you be willing to be scrutinized for.

Besides, it's not really your money they're using, is it ..?
Or, is it .?.


It's an insiders club, that you are invited to participate in the viewing of an activity, for a cost, outside of the inner circle's halls.

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Cane... [__]

"It is only impossible until it has been accomplished." ... then it becomes standardized ...

Success is measured by results; whereas Character is measured through the means by which one achieves those results . . .

It seems the Rapture did come for two worthy souls:
In Memory of Grandpa Howdy
In Memory of Donovan Davisson

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Re: Caveat Emptor…….

Postby Mountainman » Wed Aug 14, 2024 5:33 pm

Cane from the Bend wrote:
Mountainman wrote:
Cane from the Bend wrote:
Mountainman wrote:
Spence wrote:You have to let the bookies know how to set the lines.


It’ll only get worse…….. 8) .



Is this really worse ..?

Or simply more predictable .?.


There were always concerns about this behavior, well before College Spots Betting became legal. It's why it took so long for the needle to move in favor of it.

But money gets, what money wants.

Pay for play, has always been happening. But only certain programs will be relegated the harshest penalties, while others conveniently never get a whiff of an investigation. Especially with the monetary backing of particular TV network interests.

They don't agree on what NIL practices are, or rule on appropriate infractions conduct. Whether players should be employees, or whether Men can Identify as Women to compete in Female Sports --- when the NCAA President takes a back step on that one, and says they're waiting for a better method of consensus, he means, "Don't Ask Us".

NCAA has a bad habit of waiting for a Legislative Branch outside of Collegiate Sports to make decisions.

Honestly speaking, the NCAA has merely been a security blanket for the membership universities, so they can say; "Well, they never clearly indicated what the regulations were to us". With the NCAA saying; "We're just waiting on a more compartmentalized process".

Everybody's point their fingers everywhere else. But nobody us definitive pointing their finger anyplace that matters.



Well said Cane……

I lay the ‘blame’ on the doorstep of the school ‘presidents’ who abdicated their leadership role in the NCAA to the Athletic Directors, and now hide from their deeds.

Actions such as that is akin to ‘letting the foxes guard the Henhouse and triggered an almost certainty of what Peter Turchin called ‘a cycle of misery’.

Who says ‘College Football’ or College Athletics can be sold????? Who says who gets the money????? One might ask, ‘Who owns College Athletics?’. Taking someone else’s property is called “theft”, and is a criminal action.. Who owns these facilities that are being used to display these events, talents and outcomes…… and who’s doing the work that provides the product being sold?????

Hopefully the Pause and Reset buttons will be pressed.

8) .



It's generally why we have Political Slogans as Sports Motivational quotes ... ""Trust The Climb!""

And then we're expected to Laud over the decisions, cheering on the praises of Money Well Spent:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ykjs2dKfG58

Thing is, in order to maintain future enthusiasm, you have to recreate the success you're telling us to remember, elsewise all those great memories are merely History.

A "Once Upon a Time" tale, of how things were when we were proud of ourselves.

Well, Once Upon a Time, Harvard and Princeton were top dogs of the sport. Helping to shape and mold it into what we would eventually call modern Football.

Tell me, how many of the Land of a Thousand Lakes does Minnesota have to keep ""Row(ing) the Boat"" on
or how much lumber does Rutgers have to ""Keep Chopping Wood"", before i all amounts to progress on a National scale?

It has a sense of, Motivational slogans becoming Devotional slogans.

As a fanbase, they're great to hear, and fun to say.

As Players who are here for a year ... what do they care?

What many players hold onto as,an experience. We as fans hold onto for a lifetime.

College Administrations rotate, with Presidents and Directors of Athletics, Faculties and Coaching Staffs, hopping from University to University, all while telling fans to ""Trust the System"" that they, themselves, do not actually believe in. Mantras the hopeful cling to with hopes of glory and jubilee for future success that they'll be able to witness, and pass down as Historical / Grand wins.

University of Miami President, Julio Frenk
Attended the University of Michigan and graduated with two master's degrees and a PhD degree
Served at the Ministry of Health of Mexico before serving as Secretary of Health of Mexico from 2002 to 2006
He served as Dean of the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health from 2009 to 2015
From 2019 to 2024, he served as the sixth President of the University of Miami
Where he also served as a Professor of Public Health Science at the Miller School of Medicine {UM}
A Professor of Health Sector Management at Herbert Business School {UM}
A Professor of Sociology at the College of Arts and Sciences {UM}.

As of June 12, 2024, the University of California, Los Angeles {UCLA} announced that, effective January 1, 2025, Frenk would become the 7th Chancellor of the university.


University of Miami Director of Athletics, Dan Radakovich
Served as the Athletic Director at American University from 2000 to 2001
Served as a Senior Associate Athletic Director at LSU from 2001 2006
Served as the Athletic Director at Georgia Tech from 2006 to 2012
Served as the Athletic Director at Clemson University from 2012 to 2021
Currently serving as the Athletic Director at the University of Miami 2022-20??


The wheel, she keeps on spinnin'. And we, the congregation of the fanbase are expected to be enthusiastic regardless the number of times the faces change in the Administration's Office or the Locker Room.

Just Cheer, you fool ... lest you be ousted as a Hater or Fair Weathered.

After all, what do you really know, or choices would you be willing to be scrutinized for.

Besides, it's not really your money they're using, is it ..?
Or, is it .?.


It's an insiders club, that you are invited to participate in the viewing of an activity, for a cost, outside of the inner circle's halls.

.
.
.



Yep, it’s a great facility up in Morgantown, you can build one for around $55,000,000 bucks………. And to your point about about who’s money it is………as fans you can take a guided tour of the facility for $25.00 with those under 6 years old admitted free.

:?: :wink:

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